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The G36, is also much more reliable, and has over 1.5x the effective range of an M4.

Really? If both are chambered in 5.56 NATO (standard for those rifles in their military variants), what magic does the G36 use to achieve 1.5X range using the same cartridge...? I could agree that the piston vs gas tube design is superior, though.

G36

M4

And using the word retarded is, well- retarded. Just an opinion. You're free to say what you wish, but it's a matter of presentation, presentation, presentation... :shrug:

 

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G36 effective range 800M
M4 effective range 500M

I saw that, reconman, I'm not doubting your data- but I do have issues with the definition of "effective range" used in there.

Honestly, I am wondering how they are defining this alleged effective range. If it's the same cartridge, with the same energy- the effective range of the CARTRIDGE has to be the same, no? Trust me, having done my share (a LOT!) of benchrest shooting and accurizing, mostly on the 5.56/.223 and their variants, that effective range number is meaningless.

Effective range, how? How far I can put that round? How far that round has significant energy to incapacitate a target? Hit a man sized target, regardless of effect? In the end, this is pretty accurate, and "effective range" doesn't mean SQUAT when comparing platforms that fire the same round.

Now granted the G36 has in my opinion, far superior control surfaces, and the piston design makes for reliability that the AR/M4 platform cannot match. But range, with the same cartrdge? I call BS on that.

http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/FactorsOfEffectiveRange

This definition makes effective range VERY subjective, IMHO. Not meant as a slam, just a statement of data/viewpoint.
Respectfully, Rev.

 

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The only reason it ocurred to me is that once I mnounted a decent optic to my AR, I was WAYYYYYY more effective out to 200, even 300 yards on a good day as oppossed to say 100-150 yards with irons/red dot.

I am sure the bullet was equally lethal in either case, but the scope added a LOT of (what to me is) effective range, as in consistently being able to hit my target. At least that's how my brain thinks about it.

Hope it helps! Rev