[Tinokas]

Hi! I have played airsoft about one year now and i am interested of building my first own ghillie / leaf suit, how ever i can't decide what base should i buy...

Last few day's i have looked this novritsch's new leaf suit and it looks in my oppinion good, but I would be grateful if some "ghillie pro" would tell some advise for me and tell their opinnon's about the novritsch's ghillie.

 

[1tonne]

It depends on the terrain but at our local field, once a person has purchased the extra leaves, his suit works a treat. I would say it is worth it.

 

[Blind Sniper]

I will say I love the integrated suspenders as per picture on his site. Once I went ghillie my bottoms always slid down regardless of how tight I made the draw string. I ended up buying suspenders and won’t ever go back. So having them built into the pants is a huge plus for me!

 

[SiliconeSword]

Without a doubt is his ghillie stuff worth it.
He seems to have put more effort into color, design, comfort, and durability than other ghillie guys, especially I terms of airsoft ghillie.

 

[T4nkcommander]

Here's the thing - no matter how good the ghillie suit is, it will not perfectly match (color wise) the terrain you are playing in at any given time. Profile (and movement) notwithstanding, color is by far and away the biggest giveaway to your position. If it doesn't match your environment, you will stand out, no matter how good the ghillie. And in my local environment, I can move 10ft and need a totally different ghillie color to blend in.

That's why all the good snipers grab local vegetation and stuff it into their suit - it is what makes the difference between a person in a jute suit and a professional sniper.

If you are playing a lot in wooded areas, a leaf suit makes sense to help break up your profile. That's why a lot of the European snipers seem to really like them - their fields mean those work quite well. Problem is you stick out a lot in a open field. That's why military snipers use real ghillie; it is much more effective at breaking up your profile and blending in - no matter the terrain. The Nov suits have elastic bands for vegetation, so that's a big plus.

I built my hood for less than $80 - the base was abour $40, and then I bought about $30 worth of thread (I have well over half left over). It matches the standard Texas terrain quite well, blending in both the woodland and prairie land decently well without any veg. Meanwhile, the guys in leaf suits at our local field stand out anytime they get out of trees, which ends up being a good deal of the time.

I'm not saying a leaf suit is bad, I'm just saying why I ended up opting for a ghillie hood. Ultimately, you need to evaluate your environment to determine if the camouflage meets your needs. I think a traditional ghillie base is more flexible, but if a leaf base is sufficient for your needs then that can be a good option. Nov's stuff is decently priced, especially versus traditional full ghillie suits, but you can make a hood for cheaper, and I think get a bit better value that way.

Here's a picture of my son looking at the camera in my hood (no vegetation).

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I can't tell you how many times I've nearly had people step on me when I was just wearing a black tshirt and woodland bdu pants. But you can't always get a good hide

 

[Tinokas]

Okey. Thank you all for your replyes so far!

 

[Faceless]

Deffinetly not, just an other rebranded zigzag pajama. Most china made 30$ ones will perform the same.

 

[PheonixKingZ]

Definitely worth it.

I just got some of his leaves and they are very durable. I was skeptical of how the pins would hold I’m the leaves in place, but they are very firm.

Once you get a variety of his leaves and some raffia, you should have a sick ghillie suit.

If you are going to get the full ghillie anyway, I would get a 3-D camo cover (for your rifle) as well

 

[1tonne]

Deffinetly not, just an other rebranded zigzag pajama. Most china made 30$ ones will perform the same.

Do you have a link to one?

 

[Skara]

Deffinetly not, just an other rebranded zigzag pajama. Most china made 30$ ones will perform the same.

As much as I hate leaf suits and I agree that the pattern is the exact same one as the $30 Amazon Specials (even though he said he adjusted the colours and all that marketing shit, they are the same exact thing), we gotta give him credit for using a not so crappy mesh for the base.

With that being said, I wouldn't recommend it (nor I would recommend a KMCS or NMG or whatever the flavour of the month overpriced brand is).
The reason is simple: they are essentially fancy plastic bags.
People should put effort into building a camouflage system using natural materials that reflect light in the same way the environment does, but instead they pick the easy route of wearing a polyester pyjama with all sorts of mostly untreated plastic bollocks glued onto, without paying the slightest bit of attention on how the environment reacts to different lighting and weather conditions.

 

[1tonne]

The leaf suit you linked from Amazon would last about 1/10 the life of Nov's suit. His suits are really well made and designed. When you compare the cheap ones and the Nov suit side by side, I think that they are really both in a different league.
I definitely give him credit when credit is due for this one.

 

[1tonne]

Oh. By the way.
I like his leaf system. To get fully covered in leaves he mentioned it took about 2 hours. The cool thing about it is that after that, you can then change some of the different leaves each month to reflect the time of the season. So to change the suit to the perfect colours it only takes a few minutes once you are fully set up. It also had loops on the suit so that if you want, you can even add natural materials from your field.
I currently have a really good burlap gillie that I have had for about 10 years (From FiDragon). I cut it into a viper hood and it works well. But since seeing Novs leaf idea, I have ordered a variety of leaves off of Aliexpress and am going to make up my own system where I can change the ghillie monthly using fake leaves. I have seen some of Nov's leaf system at our field and I have tried to copy the colour of the leaves he has.

 

[T4nkcommander]

Have to agree with Skara on this one. Could hit it with some flat spray paint and then break it in with a mud drag to mitigate shine, but the suit still will catch the eye due to the 'artificial' look.

Be curious to see how it looks loaded up with vegetation - he did get that part right. Still, that's a lot of material to add every game day...

The more I think about it, the less I see the point of a leaf suit. Hiding in the woods is trivial - it is everywhere else that's the problem. Rather have something that focuses more on the 'everywhere else' than the woods where basic camo is sufficient.

 

[1tonne]

I guess it depends on your field layout. At our field, I was walking down an alley behind someone and then I looked away for a couple of seconds, when I looked back in front of me, I nearly walked into a bush. The bush turned out to be the person I was walking with. He had crouched down and had simply disappeared. I was very impressed.
The colours looked good. Not perfect but very close. I would say that the colours probably are perfect on some fields.
If someone wanted to, they could attack it with a little spray paint.

 

[SiliconeSword]

I think that his suit kind of reflects his whole company, far better than average, but can be improved here and there if do desired.

Painting and dying your stuff isn't new, but a suit that isn't ridiculously expensive but widely available, that can withstand lots of use is definitely new.
If I get it(probably at some point) I'm obviously going to modify it here and there, but it will probably be a sick base for my own stuff.

 

[Plazmaburn]

I have used leaf suits and crafted a traditional suit, both have pros and cons, and I hate them both for different reasons. I have been slowly working on a hybrid suit of the 2, but I have little reason to put any more effort into finishing it as I just do not care for wearing ghillie suits/leaf suits.

 

[PheonixKingZ]

His suits/camo covers are incredibly effective.

That $30 Amazon trash isn’t color matched. They just get cheap materials and throw together a sad excuse of a leaf suit.