Jaybritish tutorial sniper videos what do you think

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viper70

Discussion Starter · Dec 28, 2013

Has anybody watched any of his videos?? i have been looking through some of them and BOY can this guy vanish! even using no ghillie at all.
I must admit the guy is good, very good at concealment, even his spray painting has got to be one of the best i have ever seen on youtube! the periscope is my favourate :yup: if you look close you can just see the opening, i would guess from airsoft distance you would not see this at all, a point he made in the next clip when its used in the forest. I noticed that a lot of videos were pulled for some reason as well

it got me thinking what have i missed and why have they vanished?? to tech for the average airsoft player? so i went looking around on the net, it does indeed appear that there were links to videos called concealed shooter none of which work now:doh: What ever the reason they were pulled i look forward to many more

) already my follow up shots have yelded a better hit ratio than i had before also the amount that i had to bolt the gun has vastly reduced. This means less movement, also less noise which is always a good thing when trying to pick off players and less BB`s used per game

anyways let me know what you think :tup:

Jaybritish Airsoft Tutorails - YouTube

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Dexter

· #2 · Dec 28, 2013

I watched all his vids. They're pretty good. He's damn good in concealment. But sometimes he sounds a little bit arrogant though. Just my opinion. But I really like his videos. Looking forward for some more ingame videos.

Scheck

· #3 · Dec 29, 2013

He has some good videos, but I *THINK* he made one (once upon a time) stating that
"Of course lighter BBs travel further" and he symbolized this by throwing a small stone, and a really heavy stone and of course the small stone went further... Perhaps it was the other way around with the heavy stone going further? Either way, I couldn't help but sit there thinking "this is wrong".

It put me off watching his videos, that and I prefer game-play videos to tutorials.

That being said, I have used some of his information regarding concealment in game- and I thank him for that.

BuMS

· #4 · Dec 30, 2013

Scheck said:
He has some good videos, but I *THINK* he made one (once upon a time) stating that
"Of course lighter BBs travel further" and he symbolized this by throwing a small stone, and a really heavy stone and of course the small stone went further... Perhaps it was the other way around with the heavy stone going further? Either way, I couldn't help but sit there thinking "this is wrong".

It put me off watching his videos, that and I prefer game-play videos to tutorials.

That being said, I have used some of his information regarding concealment in game- and I thank him for that.

He did, and while he might not be correct, he does make some nice videos.:tup:

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Scheck

· #5 · Dec 30, 2013 (Edited)

You're right.

To be fair, I keep stumbling upon his videos, and before I know it, I've watched him for 20mins. He knows a lot of useful information, especially regarding concealment.

EDIT:

Also, after re-watching the "testing different weights" video of his, I agree with his theory in essence. He doesn't say that a lighter or heavier BB "goes further". He says: "There's an optimal weight BB for a specific powered rifle" - yeah. Too light will go nowhere and too heavy will go nowhere. A normal distribution curve of weight against distance.

Apologies, I don't know where I got the idea that he was wrong from. I'm putting words in his mouth.

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Scheck

· #6 · Dec 30, 2013

30 mins later... and I'm still watching his videos. He's kinda addictive.

The video below made me giggle. I love how he states "I've stalked people" at 12:24. And because they were looking in different direction and because he's moved quietly, he wasn't spotted...

Of course, it HELPS if the other person thinks you're on his team, as quite clearly stated.

Pointers about airsoft sniping and can you vanish with out a ghillie?? - YouTube

Dimitri MdP

· #7 · Dec 30, 2013

Well, imho his videos are the best I've ever seen on our topic. Specially the ones about concealment.

Cakes

· #8 · Dec 30, 2013

This guy is my personal secret hero, been watching him for a very long time now =P

1tonne

· #9 · Dec 31, 2013 (Edited)

Scheck said:
I *THINK* he made one (once upon a time) stating that
"Of course lighter BBs travel further" and he symbolized this by throwing a small stone, and a really heavy stone and of course the small stone went further... Perhaps it was the other way around with the heavy stone going further? Either way, I couldn't help but sit there thinking "this is wrong"

After watching the video about bb weights and distance (where he throws the stone) I believe he is correct (It is a very unscientific way of showing it but in principle he is correct). A lot of people in the sniper realm seem to think that the heavier the bb the better but that is not always correct. If you go too heavy then your gun just won't have the velocity to push it out very far and to get the distance the bb will have to be lobbed to the target (As shown when he fires the 0.42gm bb's). (In my time of experimenting with bb weights I have found the same thing) So this is where high FPS springs come in useful as you will be able to push heavier bb's.
How far would a 10gm bb fire from an 450fps airsoft gun? Not very far at all. You would need to up the FPS an incredible amount (Too big for our springs)

Dimitri MdP

· #10 · Dec 31, 2013

1tonne said:
A lot of people in the sniper realm seem to think that the heavier the bb the better but that is not always correct.

Yep... but then energy creep comes into play, and pushes heavier bbs with more energy than lighter ones, and thus makes them go farther away.

1tonne

· #11 · Dec 31, 2013

Dimitri MdP said:
Yep... but then energy creep comes into play, and pushes heavier bbs with more energy than lighter ones, and thus makes them go farther away.

Correct.
What he is saying is that there is a point to where the heavier bb's will be a disadvantage. So heavy bb's are good to a point and then you may go over the optimum point and they may be a disadvantage.

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Scheck

· #12 · Dec 31, 2013

I'd like to throw in that this is why I edited my post with an apology at the end.

I re-watched it and also realized he was correct too. I don't know where I got the "he's wrong" thing from, and again, sorry for that.

He's always very careful to say that a gun with "more power" (he never says fps) will generally shoot further than a gun with less power, making me believe he knows a lot more about energy creep than he is letting on to his Youtube followers. It's a secret only the l33t keep

1tonne

· #13 · Dec 31, 2013

Scheck said:
I'd like to throw in that this is why I edited my post with an apology at the end.

I re-watched it and also realized he was correct too. I don't know where I got the "he's wrong" thing from, and again, sorry for that.

He's always very careful to say that a gun with "more power" (he never says fps) will generally shoot further than a gun with less power, making me believe he knows a lot more about energy creep than he is letting on to his Youtube followers. It's a secret only the l33t keep

All good
It's not too much of a secret though. More just common sense. Cheers

Geograd

· #14 · Dec 31, 2013

1tonne said:
Correct.
What he is saying is that there is a point to where the heavier bb's will be a disadvantage. So heavy bb's are good to a point and then you may go over the optimum point and they may be a disadvantage.

This is actually not correct with the current weight of BBs we have. A .43 and a .36 at .9J (which is 212 FPS and 232 FPS respectively) will both travel about 210 feet flat, the .43 is actually a flatter trajectory than the .36.

If we get into .66 then this becomes true. a .66 at .9J (171 FPS) will only travel about 150 feet. The reason is that the hopup takes effect pretty much straight from the barrel instead of at a distance because of the slow speed.

But since we don't have .66 yet, using .43g BBs is 150% time better than using any other BB at the same Joules.

BuMS

· #15 · Jan 1, 2014

Geograd said:
This is actually not correct with the current weight of BBs we have. A .43 and a .36 at .9J (which is 212 FPS and 232 FPS respectively) will both travel about 210 feet flat, the .43 is actually a flatter trajectory than the .36.

If we get into .66 then this becomes true. a .66 at .9J (171 FPS) will only travel about 150 feet. The reason is that the hopup takes effect pretty much straight from the barrel instead of at a distance because of the slow speed.

But since we don't have .66 yet, using .43g BBs is 150% time better than using any other BB at the same Joules.

I'm a fair bit interested in the rotation speed, that is used to to calculate the trajectory in the case of .43 at 212fps and .36 at 232fps.

I hope you will share the info. :shot:

Geograd

· #16 · Jan 1, 2014

The RPMs are both in the 70,000 - 80,000 range which is actually pretty slow. Usually at 1.5J it's about 90,000 or so.

BuMS

· #17 · Jan 1, 2014 (Edited)

Geograd said:
The RPMs are both in the 70,000 - 80,000 range which is actually pretty slow. Usually at 1.5J it's about 90,000 or so.

My calculations say that you use the exit speed of the bb, to calculate the rpm(As in the Airsoft Trajectory Project).

But I'm convinced, that the you/we need to use the speed as the bb leaves the hopup, to get a more correct result.
As the hopup is the biggest factor in creating rotation(There are other factors according to the Airsoft Trajectory Project).
And the bb haven't had time to accelerate to the exit speed at that point.

Edit: I also wrote about it on http://forums.airsoftmechanics.com/index.php?topic=2221.msg133580#msg133580
I got some numbers in that thread.

Also good night and happy new year.

Scheck

· #18 · Jan 1, 2014

Geograd said:
This is actually not correct with the current weight of BBs we have. A .43 and a .36 at .9J (which is 212 FPS and 232 FPS respectively) will both travel about 210 feet flat, the .43 is actually a flatter trajectory than the .36.

If we get into .66 then this becomes true. a .66 at .9J (171 FPS) will only travel about 150 feet. The reason is that the hopup takes effect pretty much straight from the barrel instead of at a distance because of the slow speed.

But since we don't have .66 yet, using .43g BBs is 150% time better than using any other BB at the same Joules.

You're probably right in theory, or according to your secret equation, but in practice I've seen over and over again a gun fires better, flatter and further with a "middle" weight.

I know that my personal rifle fires MUCH nicer with .4s than it does with .43s or .2s.

And I've yet to come across any rifle that can accurately hit 210ft (70m) with flat trajectory whilst firing .4gram BBs under .9joules.

It looks good on paper, but these results just seem so... un-achievable?

1tonne

· #19 · Jan 1, 2014 (Edited)

Geograd said:
This is actually not correct with the current weight of BBs we have. A .43 and a .36 at .9J (which is 212 FPS and 232 FPS respectively) will both travel about 210 feet flat, the .43 is actually a flatter trajectory than the .36.

If we get into .66 then this becomes true. a .66 at .9J (171 FPS) will only travel about 150 feet. The reason is that the hopup takes effect pretty much straight from the barrel instead of at a distance because of the slow speed.

But since we don't have .66 yet, using .43g BBs is 150% time better than using any other BB at the same Joules.

I am beginning to think your secret formula you have for figuring out distance is badly flawed as other have thought this too.
A 0.43gm bb that exits the barrel at 212fps (so using 0.2gm bb's would be exiting at about 310fps) would not be able to reach 64m without massively over hopping. It would be lobbed to its target. So it would not have a straight trajectory at all.
I think you may have to tell us your formula so that others can see if it is flawed. If your formula is correct and accurate you should not be afraid to hide it. If you do not publish it then we cannot take what you say as gospel.
310fps gun + 0.43gm bb = lobbing at target

If you publish the formula then someone on here may be able to help fix it.
Still means it is your formula

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Geograd

· #20 · Jan 1, 2014

Go try it if you don't believe me. It will of course be moved by the wind a lot so you have to test inside or on a non windy day but feel free to test and record to prove my equations wrong

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