[Guest]

Iv'e been scouring the internet for at least a month looking for a good starter rifle. I'm new to sniping and would appreciate some info on the Bar-10 such as good platform, cost friendly (for a sniper rifle), stock performance, yada yada yada. Is there another rifle out there that would be recomended by some of the more experianced snipers?

 

[vindicareassassin]

If you want cheep and reasonable performance thats easy to upgrade then JG BAR-10 is your best bet.


If you have money to burn, want cuedos and is easy to upgrade, get a TM VSR


If you have money to burn, want cuedos, and fancy a chalenge when upgrading, get a CA M24


Or you could go 'gas', which is whole other ball game and better answered by some of the other boys who do 'gas'

 

[Guest]

I'm looking for least expensive. That flash will come later when I get a job

If anyone owns a Bar-10 and has upgraded it, what parts did you use and how did it affect performance?

 

[fuzzywolly]

I cannot help you with experience in shooting a bar10 upgraded but here is airsoftatlanta's vsr-10 parts: http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/SearchResults.asp . They have everything you will need when you do decide to upgrade your rifle. Just look around the forum if you have any questions as to what different upgrade parts do. Off the top of my head, you should look into getting a new piston, piston head, cylinder, cylinder head, zero trigger or sears, tightbore barrel, and new hop up chamber and bucking. Also, for externals, a new bolt handle, and fluted outer barrel. Not everything on my list here is necessary, its just to give you an idea. Look around at the link I gave you, and you will see just how many things there are to buy

Fuzzy

 

[Guest]

Some questions for you Fuzzy: (1) Fluted outer barrel? Um Iv'e heard of it but never knew what it did exactly...why? (2) New bolt handle? Would that be for having a sturdy bolt for upgraded springs to prevent breaking? (3) I'm having trouble finding that hop up chamber...is it that golden thing for around $80? (4) Doesn't the sear come in three different parts? The sear, piston sear, and spring guide stopper? (5) What about reinforced spring guide?

Sorry for the long list of questions but from other posts, you seem to be one of the knowledgable people on this forum. You to Vindicarassassin!

 

[fuzzywolly]

Ok, I am not very good with the vsr's but I know a few things. Alot of these upgrades are similar in function to those of the l96. They just are not compatible with the vsr's. To answer as best I can...
1. Fluted outer barrel: I believe it is better quality making it more durable.
2. You are correct in saying the bolt would be useful for when you upgrade to a heavier spring. This is to make it more durable to prevent it from breaking.
3. http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/Laylax_VSR_10_AERO_Chamber_NEO_p/58466.htm is what I believe you are referring to. I do not know much about it, but I believe other vsr users have this. Laylax is great, I use alot of their parts in my rifle.
4. I never put the spring guide stopper in the category as a sear. Maybe I am wrong. Either way, that would also increase durability when using a more powerful spring just like the trigger and piston sears will. I put a trigger sear in mine until I can get a zero trigger in the future. It really made trigger pull easier and smoother. But its totally up to you. Here is a link to a sears set (out of stock at the moment, but its just to give you an idea) : http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=362_364&products_id=5756 They also have some of the bolt action upgrades for your rifle if you want to look their too.
5. For the spring guide, I totally missed that. I am terribly sorry. I was just naming things off the top of my head, but yeah that would be good to get. I know that in the l96's, there is a 7mm and 9mm spring guide that are necessary depending on power. Not sure about the vsr's but just wanted to give you a heads up.

Hopefully someone can give you some more detailed info. I am just trying to help you get started off. I bet Vindi will either give more info or clear up some things that I cannot for you.

Hope this helped somewhat

Fuzzy

 

[Guest]

Thanks Fuzzy! I have a pretty good idea of what I'm doing now.

That link for the Polar Star sear set: I was considering that sears but I might just get the Laylax from Atlanta. Just 1 state over

Hopefully last question: There are two pistons: red (NEO version) and gold (Zero trigger). Why the NEO version?

 

[fuzzywolly]

I did some searching, and found this forum with what seems to be like the answer. http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=78925.0

If you are going to buy a zero trigger I would just go with the orange piston because that is made specifically for the zero trigger and its sears.

Here is a thread that talks about the neo (red) piston and the bar10. It says some things about the degrees of the stock sears in a bar 10, and what degree sears the neo piston works with.

But, maybe someone with experience can fill you in on the neo (red) piston, and whether it would be a good buy or not. From what I read, you would have to buy some new sears for the neo piston to work, as the stock sears in a bar 10 are 45 degrees. Although, Atlanta states that the neo piston works with "standard sears". Whether or not that means stock sears, or other sears that can upgrade your rifle, I do not know. I would call them, and clarify that with them. They should tell you what you need. Remember to get the guys name after you talk to him. That way if you have any problems, you know who it was that you had talked to.

Hope this helped.

Fuzzy

 

[octoberknight]

Oven the fluted barrel is for Looks only, in the real world it is to reduce weight but since in airsoft the outer barrels are hollow this serves absolutely no purpose other than looks. Someone once said "Airsoft is 90% looks and 10% performance.

 

[fuzzywolly]

Yeah, I read somewhere that the fluted barrel serves no purpose in airsoft like it does with real firearms. However, wouldn't the fluted barrel be higher quality than a cheap clone's outer barrel that comes produced by the 1,000s? Thus, making the fluted barrel a more durable barrel. Its just a thought.

Fuzzy

 

[2echo]

In airsoft, a fluted barrel is only looks, and perhaps a bit sturdyer than a ordinary barrel. A real fluted barrel serves the purpose of cooling the barrel quicker since it has a larger area of steel for the heat to radiate from. A consistent temperature in a real steel barrel means that you will have less problem with calculating the bullets trajectory when firing over large distances since the barrels temperature has much to do with how the bullet will act

 

[vindicareassassin]

Not forgeting a fluted barrel in an airsoft gun will be a bitch to fit cheap/home made barrel spacers to securely :-/

 

[bobgengeskahn]

As a recommendation about other rifles... I got a VSR clone (the HFC) for about $90 planning to use it as a project gun, not sure what it shot stock as it was pre-owned and sold through pyramid airguns, but....... 3 weeks ago I got an Echo1 ASR and I love it!

I got it off of AirsoftGI for $110 with their free shipping and then 10% off that with one of their coupon codes. The things I liked were that it shoots 450-470 out of the box and it comes with a bipod.
After I got it I found a few more things I liked. The receiver is all metal, over all the guns has a very nice weight and is solid, which meant no dealing with foam to fill the stock. The cylinder head was already tapered and the stock barrel was a 6.06 (now it is a polished 6.01). For a more detailed list of things that I did you can go here: http://www.airsoftsniperforum.com/phpBB/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=1065

Since that thread kind of died I have done a few things that have made the rifle more accurate.
1. I added a spring spacer (have put about 3-400 rounds through it and i check the sears regularly and its still solid)
2. put in a firefly hop up bucking. for out of the box performance I would say that the stock bucking is just OK... I tore a hole through it really fast after i installed the spacer and was using .43s
3. i did end up taking a file to the hop up arm as suggested at the end of that thread, that gave me enough adjustment to account for .36s and .43s.

 

[Guest]

I'm pretty stuck on the Bar-10 but I'm glad that rifle is working good for you!

It doesnt fit my style though. It may be good for the high fps outa box, but thats not everything. TM and Maruzen guns come very low fps but they are THE rifles out there. Just saying

 

[fuzzywolly]

I agree with TM and Maruzen being very solid and reliable and all, but you do know that the Bar-10 is a clone of the tokyo marui, not an actual tokyo marui rifle.

 

[Guest]

I agree with TM and Maruzen being very solid and reliable and all, but you do know that the Bar-10 is a clone of the tokyo marui, not an actual tokyo marui rifle.

Yes, I am aware of this. I dont plan on buying a high end model rifle for a long time. At least a year and a half. Working my way up slow and steady!

 

[fuzzywolly]

I am currently doing the same thing Only working with a utg mk96 instead of a bar-10. Good luck, I know it'll take some time before I can get all the bits and pieces.

 

[sounguru]

Well I will throw my $.02 in since I happen to have a couple of Bar-10 in house.....

Rifle #1 (As it is now)
M-Trigger (older model)
6.01 430mm (swapping for a 6.03 soon)
Polarstar 90 degree piston
Airsoft GI metal spring guide
170 Spring
Stock Hop up unit
Gaurder hard rubber bucking
3-12x40 Illuminated scope (swapping for a 50mm R/G soon)

All targets below are full sized torso targets..

Chronoed 476 with .36 and is a hell of a gun if I do say so. I just passed a rifle qualification and one of the targets was 180' through very heavy brush and it cut its way through and hit the target with a nice smack. Reason for the 2 swaps I have planned is I'm moving up to a 530mm barrel length and under the canopy the 50mm will help with gathering light. At 200' I had almost level flight landing 5 of 5 within 8" of each other so I do not think 250' is out of the question with enough impact to let someone know they have been hit. Cost of upgrades was under $300 since I bought the second gun with the M-Trigger in it for cheap.

Gun #2 Don't ask...
It is a mismatch of parts with broken sears since the stock ones didn't like the 170 spring.... but my plans are..
Laylax sears across the board
170 spring
Airsoft GI piston
Metal spring guide
6.03 530 mm barrel
Custom top down hop up unit (still work in progress)
Custom stock work
3-9x50 R/G scope

So basically for just a little more than the cost of some of the higher end guns I have one that is a very nice and highly accurate rifle. The other gun cost will be higher since I plan on having some custom machine work and doing some major tweaks.

Stock the guns were good out to about 150' (3 out of 5) after that it was hit and miss. There are a lot of DIY upgrades you can do right out of the box for pennies that will get you out to 200' but not with any real consistency.

So in conclusion yes I think for a budget minded person the Bar-10 is a good starting platform.