[mrFonzie]

I was thinking of taking a GBBR DMR or BOLT ACTION GBB Sniper replica: my goal is to lift heavier BBs to increase distance first.

GBB I know have like a higher "cylinder volume" due to the gas: am I right?

There are any GBBr replicas that you suggest for this goal or do you think is better for long-range bolt action replicas with high-volume cylinders?

 

[SiliconeSword]

You're correct on the volume thing, gas an HPA guns have the highest volume of all airsoft guns, and can usually gain significant power with just a new barrel.

I am not very sure about GBBRs, but somebody I know has gotten one to be very good with little modifications.

 

[JFRABAT]

I have a Green Gas sniper rifle and 2 spring sniper rifles, so I feel I can answer this.

1. Distance is not as important as accuracy. And for accuracy, the most important thing is consistency from shot to shot. Green gas is not consistent, as the pressure goes down as you shoot more BBs. Also (not an issue for.me here in the tropics) temperature will affect BB speed, introducing more variables to your shot. Hence why I stick to spring (I am 50, so carrying an air bottle is too much weight and hazzle for me, so no HPA). Also, regarding distance, it is very rare in any field around here to be able to take a 100m shot. Typically, 90% of my shots are in to 50~80m range.

2. My gas rifle has the reservoir in the bolt, not the mag. This means I have to bring greengas on top of BBs. But it is similar if you go to a long duration event or if you develop leaks. Again, simplicity is best for me.

3. Different rifles have different volume cylinders. And barrel width will affect power and accuracy. My custom VSR 10 and my SRS are built very dufferently. Both are capable of putting a 0.43g BB on a human sized target, but the SRS is mire conaistent. The SRS has a higher volume cylinder, which means I can us!e a wider bore inner barrel, which increases accuracy (many here still think a tighter bore is more accurate; it is not. It will shoot faster, but less accurate).

Having said all this, the most consistent rifle will be HPA. If you are willing to put up with the tank, it is que quitest and most consistent (accurate) option. Plus, very few parts move on shot to ruin your aim.

My advice? Go with whatever makes you smile. At the end of the day, that is what we play for!

 

[mrFonzie]

I have a Green Gas sniper rifle and 2 spring sniper rifles, so I feel I can answer this.

1. Distance is not as important as accuracy. And for accuracy, the most important thing is consistency from shot to shot. Green gas is not consistent, as the pressure goes down as you shoot more BBs. Also (not an issue for.me here in the tropics) temperature will affect BB speed, introducing more variables to your shot. Hence why I stick to spring (I am 50, so carrying an air bottle is too much weight and hazzle for me, so no HPA). Also, regarding distance, it is very rare in any field around here to be able to take a 100m shot. Typically, 90% of my shots are in to 50~80m range.

2. My gas rifle has the reservoir in the bolt, not the mag. This means I have to bring greengas on top of BBs. But it is similar if you go to a long duration event or if you develop leaks. Again, simplicity is best for me.

3. Different rifles have different volume cylinders. And barrel width will affect power and accuracy. My custom VSR 10 and my SRS are built very dufferently. Both are capable of putting a 0.43g BB on a human sized target, but the SRS is mire conaistent. The SRS has a higher volume cylinder, which means I can us!e a wider bore inner barrel, which increases accuracy (many here still think a tighter bore is more accurate; it is not. It will shoot faster, but less accurate).

Having said all this, the most consistent rifle will be HPA. If you are willing to put up with the tank, it is que quitest and most consistent (accurate) option. Plus, very few parts move on shot to ruin your aim.

My advice? Go with whatever makes you smile. At the end of the day, that is what we play for!

Best answer ever thanks.

 

[SiliconeSword]

I'm still undecided on that whole barrel thing, but my current theory is that a cheap wide bore is better than a cheap tight bore, but a very high end tight bore will be better than a very high end wide bore as accuracy should be the same, but you are able to use less air or spring power for the same amount of joules.

I have found this to be true enough with lapping barrels, as I lapped a 6.05 and a 6.01 and they shot about the same afterwards.

 

[Leo Greer]

I’ve had good success with medium quality 6.02mm steel barrels (ZCI and stock Arcturus), but the best shooting barrel in my experience has been the Lambda Smart 6.08mm. I compared it directly to their 6.03mm and experienced much better accuracy.

That being said, I’ll second Silicone: both can be made to shoot well, provide consistent FPS, and give good groupings, provided they have good bores and internal finishes. I don’t anyone disagrees on this. So unless you’re trying for an ultramega 100 yard shot killing machine DMR HPA DSG machinatron… it probably doesn’t matter that much, use the nicer barrel and tune your system well.

 

[Jbrinker1]

Based off a different recent post from fonzie, he has a field limit of 1J for all replicas. So the struggle is to lift heavy bbs at a lower output to try to obtain the most range and is trying to figure out the best platform to do so. If I remember right, his striker has maxed out lifting 0.40g bbs. He also don't mind loud guns so silence is not a priority. I think everyone would agree that a solid barrel group (inner barrel, hopup chamber, nub, and bucking) and reasonably consistent power output will get the accuracy needed. With this said, any bolt action simply doesn't make any sense as he will be at the same power level as the other semi/full auto platforms. Although it is airsoft so it doesn't have to make sense, just has to be fun.

My personal opinion to lift heavier bbs at lower power limits is it more about pressure spike and good grippy hopup than an overvolumed system. In saying that, a higher pressure system is going to be less efficient and going to require larger cylinder to barrel ratios added to bigger ratios needed for heavy weight bbs. At some point, if we have a perfectly grippy bucking (meaning the bbs will not slip on the bucking and will roll like a wheel) the needed rpm to hold up a heavier bb, will equal out to the speed of the bb. As the bb increases in mass, the speed has to decrease to keep energy constant. So eventually there will be a bb to heavy to lift at a constant (linear) power output as it won't have enough speed to create the needed spin (which also will need more rpms as mass increase) to keep the bb in the air as long and/or flat as possible.

I may have to see if I can hop 0.48 from one of my AEGs and/or BASR shooting at 1J just to see if it is possible. The trajectory would be interesting as well.

 

[mrFonzie]

Based off a different recent post from fonzie, he has a field limit of 1J for all replicas. So the struggle is to lift heavy bbs at a lower output to try to obtain the most range and is trying to figure out the best platform to do so. If I remember right, his striker has maxed out lifting 0.40g bbs. He also don't mind loud guns so silence is not a priority. I think everyone would agree that a solid barrel group (inner barrel, hopup chamber, nub, and bucking) and reasonably consistent power output will get the accuracy needed. With this said, any bolt action simply doesn't make any sense as he will be at the same power level as the other semi/full auto platforms. Although it is airsoft so it doesn't have to make sense, just has to be fun.

My personal opinion to lift heavier bbs at lower power limits is it more about pressure spike and good grippy hopup than an overvolumed system. In saying that, a higher pressure system is going to be less efficient and going to require larger cylinder to barrel ratios added to bigger ratios needed for heavy weight bbs. At some point, if we have a perfectly grippy bucking (meaning the bbs will not slip on the bucking and will roll like a wheel) the needed rpm to hold up a heavier bb, will equal out to the speed of the bb. As the bb increases in mass, the speed has to decrease to keep energy constant. So eventually there will be a bb to heavy to lift at a constant (linear) power output as it won't have enough speed to create the needed spin (which also will need more rpms as mass increase) to keep the bb in the air as long and/or flat as possible.

I may have to see if I can hop 0.48 from one of my AEGs and/or BASR shooting at 1J just to see if it is possible. The trajectory would be interesting as well.

Man you can't: here 0.48 do not exit neither.

 

[DerrickOlley]

I have a Green Gas sniper rifle and 2 spring sniper rifles, so I feel I can answer this.

1. Distance is not as important as accuracy. And for accuracy, the most important thing is consistency from shot to shot. Green gas is not consistent, as the pressure goes down as you shoot more BBs. Also (not an issue for.me here in the tropics) temperature will affect BB speed, introducing more variables to your shot. Hence why I stick to spring (I am 50, so carrying an air bottle is too much weight and hazzle for me, so no HPA). Also, regarding distance, it is very rare in any field around here to be able to take a 100m shot. Typically, 90% of my shots are in to 50~80m range.

2. My gas rifle has the reservoir in the bolt, not the mag. This means I have to bring greengas on top of BBs. But it is similar if you go to a long duration event or if you develop leaks. Again, simplicity is best for me.

3. Different rifles have different volume cylinders. And barrel width will affect power and accuracy. My custom VSR 10 and my SRS are built very dufferently. Both are capable of putting a 0.43g BB on a human sized target, but the SRS is mire conaistent. The SRS has a higher volume cylinder, which means I can us!e a wider bore inner barrel, which increases accuracy (many here still think a tighter bore is more accurate; it is not. It will shoot faster, but less accurate). Drawing https://drawnbyhislight.com how to draw

Having said all this, the most consistent rifle will be HPA. If you are willing to put up with the tank, it is que quitest and most consistent (accurate) option. Plus, very few parts move on shot to ruin your aim.

My advice? Go with whatever makes you smile. At the end of the day, that is what we play for!

I also think this is one of the best answers! And then some write here and there! And here it’s like shooting straight at the bull’s-eye))))))

 

[Jbrinker1]

What are the heaviest bbs you can get/willing to pay for Fonzie?