[wack2011a]

Ok so I've decided to make myself a new marksman rifle as the spring ones I have don't satisfy my need for perfection(which I hope to achieve with this final build)

I will in the next couple days become the proud owner of a pre-ban PCS Tanaka M700 A.I.C.S(phew!)

Overview
I plan to convert this into a mini C02 Quick Change rig that I have seen other people achieve successfully as I really do not enjoy the in-consistency of gas. I also plan to take most of the rifle apart to replace with higher quality and durability parts.

The List
(note: parts I plan to purchase preferably state-side)

Nineball VSR-10 Hop-up Bucking from airsoftatlanta

Laylax 6.03, 555mm IB from airsoftatlanta

KA / SD (OEM) CNC Chamber Conversion Kit from evike

G&G Valve Knocker(1) from evike

G&G Power Pack Kit(inc listed below) from evike
- Steel Cocking Piece
- Striker Spring
- 2x Knock Arm & Plunger Sets

G&G Gas Route Connector Spring from airsoftgi

and this is where I am conflicted on which part to get

G&G Hop Up Set from airsoftgi $25.99

Creation CNC Aluminum Hopup Chamber $64.99 from tacticalairsoftct(who supposedly have them in-stock)

The Creation chamber is nearly triple the price of the G&G, I have only read about the CNC and only seen positive praises, I was unaware G&G made a hop-up chamber until recently. So I ask, is it worth it?

Total Cost(excluding shipping)
Parts + G&G Hop-up - $262.96
Parts + Creation Hop-up - $301.96

Is the extra $39 worth the Creation?

I passed up the PDI 554mm 6.05/6.08 for the Laylax because
A. Double the money
B. Shipping from Japan (want this done before Christmas / Early 2012)

Other than that please post suggestions

C02 Quick Change Rig

Putting aside around $125 (according to tomanybbs build)
Will worry about the rig parts after receiving the rifle and parts

Really I just want suggestions and feedback on what I have listed so far and in-case I've missed something, Oh no!(it happens)

Well thanks for reading and posting if you do I really appreciate any feedback!

 

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Doesn't really tell me much, reasoning? I think it will be more consistent when going out to play in negative temperatures as well as in the 30 - 40 C climate.

 

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I'm actually confused now. Are the Creation, G&G, King Arms/SD Chambers all the same part simply manufactured by different companies. Or are the Creation and G&G separate units for the rifle?

wolf you shouldn't of mentioned the heavy barrel, I'm a sucker for sexy looking rifles set because now I'm set on getting one (budget increased by $128 :'( )

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=3519

However the person reviewing says:
"-Inner barrel is cut for Tanaka hop up, so if you have the King Arms hop up, the barrel is useless."

So that comes back to my other question above.

Then I found this:
http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/lofiversion/index.php/t207579.html

The guy posts that his M700 A.I.C.S has the following parts:

Tanaka has the following upgrades:

-G&G M24 Heavy Barrel Set
-G&G Rubber set for the bolt
-G&G Valve knocker
-Polarstar Striker Spring
-King Arms VSR Conversion Chamber
-Firefly Hard Bucking
-Madbull 650mm PSG-1 Black Python II 6.03 Barrel
-CO2 rig using Palmer's Rock Regulator, 12g adapter, and microline fittings(not pictured)
-Centerpoint 4-16x40 scope
-Caldwell XLA Bipod
-Cheap paintball flash hider compression fit to the barrel
-Camo Tan paint (Stock is original shiny OD color)

Any thoughts on this?

Thanks to all posting, really need some reassurance on this project

 

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Yeah I plan to, the above list was just someone else's post that I Copy pasted to show that the KA works with the G&G heavy which is disputed by someone else, but I'll go with the picture evidence that it does work. Any idea how heavy the G&G fluted is, is it detrimental to the user?

I must be awful at finding items because I cannot find an In-stock Best Gun Fluted for the A.I.C.S

Wolf I had assumed that the G&G Power Pack was just the assorted separate parts put together in a cheaper package so that people buy that instead of buying a single item.

Any thoughts on the 555mm 6.03 Laylax compared to the PDI or other companies?

 

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Anyway to drill the BG to fit the AICS? Does free-float add anything to the rifles performance in airsoft?

Just spent the last hour looking for a BG barrel and I can't so either I'll end up keeping the stock barrel and it will stay L96A1, if I find it light enough to carry I may later add the G&G Heavy, really just the planning stages right now.

 

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Rifle is OTW! Will get here when it gets here and I'll start to throw together the order I want. Any further suggestions because right now I'm going to go what I have listed unless someone wants to speak up.

 

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So you think I should fit it with a C02 set-up and then upgrade the internals?

 

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I wanted something that I could mount on the rifle itself like the system that tomanybbs used. I won't be pouring rounds downrange with a sniper rifle so consistency shouldn't be affected as much as you would think especially with 2 regulators. Unless theres a small HPA tank that can fit on the stock of an AICS. If you can provide a solution I'm all ears but otherwise I don't see myself using HPA any time soon unless they make 12gram or small cartridges.

 

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Quick google search and this was the smallest tank I could find. Would need the dimensions of the stock but I'll do that when I get it.

http://www.actioncenterpaintball.com/Paintball-Tanks/Guerrilla-Air-LA-Hitmen-LE-13-3000-HP-Air-Tank-w-Myth.html

I'm wondering if I will have to cut the stock on the right hand side so that a small part of the tank sticks out. I'll have to wait and see.

Should I just hold off on all of the parts right now and work on the HPA first?

EDIT:

Check this out, this guy used a C02 tank / cartridge (doesn't make it very clear) but you can see it in the pictures.

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=98886.0

Note warlockuy posts where he explains the variation with the C02.

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=78565.1275

 

[wack2011a]

I'm really not convinced that's what I want to do. I don't want to be attached to my rifle with some expensive rig that somehow I will manage to break.

I did find this website though they produce 2" by 8.5" HPA tanks 13cu

Could someone get me the dimensions of the Tanaka M700 AICS stock?

If you used a 12g C02 couldn't you have a regulator set-up just before the magazine so there is minimal exposure from the surrounding temperature?

 

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This system seems to be the best mini C02.
http://www.airsoftsniperforum.com/phpBB/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=2485&start=15

I am just not convinced that I want to carry a rifle that is attached to me.

 

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Right now all I can find 13/3000 HPA tanks which measure 8.5" tall with 2" width.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0RM06J9340&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle6&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle6-_-Paintball+Accessories-_-Guerrilla+Air-_-9SIA0RM06J9340

I did find that a company called Inspire that apprently make custom mini-HPA tanks based in Europe
http://www.inspirepaintball.com/index2.htm

Really won't know until I get the rifle itself or find some dimensions to work with. I've been reading about both HPA and C02 in the M700 and people really love either or.

Edit:

Found another European company that produces mini-tanks, seems like the US doesn't have any manufacturers for the smaller tanks.

http://sklep.goodpaint.pl/go/_info/?user_id=WFMAG_357&lang=en

EDIT EDIT:

Found a Canadian seller of 8ci 3000psi Tanks which may work, still looking around. The problem is I need to but a regulator for it as it doesn't come with one.

http://www.ezcreation.ca/MCM_Tank_8CI_-_SPECIAL/p643134_2869397.aspx

Any idea on how many shots I would be able to fire with that tank?

 

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Tanaka M700 AICS has arrived, pics and measurements below.

I did get some shots off in the snow (bit hard to see the BB) but it was ranging well at around 50m I was hitting a torso(tree) consistently.

Enjoy the HD!

Chassis taken apart:

Cracked hop-up chamber as seen in many Tanaka's:

Approx length before thumbhole ~6inches:

Approx width of stock ~1inch:

Approx length of stock ~4inches:

Having never handled an L96 type I was surprised to see this inner chassis(taken apart):

And a weight in the recoil pad, I think its aluminum and quite hefty. It's glued in there so I'll have to work careful when I try to get it out:

Just have a look and I'll post some more details later tonight when I have the time!

I don't think I'll be getting any type of tank into the stock since they're all 1.5+ inches in diameter.

 

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Dammit Cheese Man I thought I was being original when I did this:

Thanks for raining on my parade
Here's egalism's http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/lofiversion/index.php/t209097.html am I allowed to post links to other forums?

Anyways egalism is using a C02 set-up which is tiny I was hoping to use an HPA tank so here's a picture of a mock 13/3000 HPA tank not entirely up to spec(note: regulator is attached to the length but would be much skinnier):

I might just have to order a Ninja 13/3000 HPA tank(pre-installed with reg) and see what I can do with it.

tacticalairsoftct.com was actually out of stock of G&G rubber set and Creation chamber. Ordered instead from DENTrinity.

Misc parts for the AICS coming in from Evike and airsoftgi and airsoftatlanta.

Be sure to check the CA M24 thread I'll be making this friday to see if I can fit some branded mags into it. Haven't actually fired the rifle after sinking ~$1000 into it because no one had CA M24 mags :-/

 

[wack2011a]

Ok I just installed the SD Nozzle, Hop-up + VSR Nineball and TB but I'm having a little trouble figuring out how the G&G powerpack is installed, anyone have a guide I can follow on how to install it?

 

[wack2011a]

The forum stopped working last night but thanks wolf I managed to figure it all out and after putting all the parts in the gun would cock but it would not fire. So I took everything out except for the magazine striker set and it works fine.

Anyways after 30 seconds of drilling I came up with a weak system simply for me to look at.

I love the look of it so I'll probably order some sort of Battle grip without all grooves and dents for a nice marksman platform.
http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=29346

Then I'll find myself an HPA tank that is shorter than 9 inches and I'll see where it goes from there.

Edit:

I noticed the exposed areas on the bone of the AICS so I plan to cut part of the outer frame so that I have a trigger guard + trigger box/mag release protection.

Cutting along the red-lines once I have the new grip installed.

 

[wack2011a]

Haven't forgotten about this just haven't had the time I wanted to make this happen.

I've got an AR-15 A2 Pistol Grip on the way and when I get back I'll have another AICS(thanks woogie) and a HPA tank+set-up to play around with. Also have an IR-Hop in mind and getting a range-finder to get some accurate measurements of accuracy/distance once everything is set-up.

Will be back on the 26th, can't wait to make this happen!