My VSR tests for 50-70-90 meters :)

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kociec

Discussion Starter · 9 mo ago (Edited)

Hello,
Today finally I did some tests with my fully upgraded VSR-10 by famous Cracow tuner - Dexter and check what is the real performance of my gun. With real measured distances and with no bullshit like “I shot a guy in head from 150m using stock JG BAR-10 5 times in a row”.
Config of VSR:
· PDI 6.01 500mm
· Maple Leaf Autobot 80 deg
· AA HU chamber
· CNC Panther Nub
· full set from polish “bart_a”, carefully polished : piston, cylinder, cylinder head & nozzle, spring guide, spring, 90 deg. trigger
· inner barrel stabilizer – propably AA
· VSR-10 Marui Base
· Hawke Vantage 3-9x40AO optics with Leapers mount
· 3.55J using BLS 0.48g
I have tested my gun in really good conditions: 30mins before sunset, absolutely zero wind in place presented in photo. Shooting was quite fast, about ~90sec per 10 shoots with knee position without any additional support. I think my aiming error was about ~5-10 cm per 50m and ~15-20cm per 90m. Ammo was carefully washed and dried.
Results of shooting presented on the photos. Size of paper sheet was 90x120 [cm]. 50m and 70m distances I aimed directly in black cross and for 90m I aimed just ~25cm above cross.
I also have experimented with 100m – I could hit target size of jacket in one of photos with about 50% eff. I needed to aim about 1m above. My bb flight trajectory is as flat as possible. I don’t use over-hops, because my most common shot distance is about 40-70m.
What I spotted:
· Shooting in long ranges like 90 or 100 meters needs perfect levelling of a gun. Any tilt in left or right side will result with missed shot, because BB will turn aside in last flight phase.
· BLS BBs are not perfect. Sometimes I can see BB, which could fly away in random direction with no known reason. It happens randomly, generally maybe in 1-2/10 shoots. Probably its manufacturing errors.
· I’m not super shooter. I have some problems with tilting a gun, especially in left side
· Few months ago I have experimented with hi-end bbs: Longbow 0.48g and have terrible results. About 2x worse accuracy than BLS. Why? Magic

What do you think about this results? Maybe you have tested your guns? How your VSRs performance looked like?
I'm looking for opinion - is this result fine? Or there is a place to achieve better performance? What you think should I try to impove perfomance? Another bucking, nub? Should I enlarge PDI 6.01 window? What accuracy on 50m or 70m you will say is good grouping? Thank for any help!

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Cripplegunner

· #121 · 7 mo ago

kociec said:
I was wondering about my accuracy and do you think that if my results using spring airgun hw95 are like pic below with knee unsupported position on 25m distance, is it possible that spread about lets say 40x40 cm on 70m using airsoft sniper with the same position is mainly my fault, not gun? On first look it seems to look like my fault is few centimeters and gun is much more. Basically I think my error isnt too big, Im not super shoter, but also not total beginner. I know there is place to my fault, but how much from this 40x40 can be my fault and how much is gun spread. It will be interesting to replace guns with @Cripplegunner and check who will shot better groups and check if it is an issue of gun or shoter...or both

To put it mildly, it is not serious to compare the capabilities of the two systems. We have already commented on it earlier here. We cannot expect a donkey to beat a racing stallion on the track. Here are pics how my Daystate PCP shooting at 100 m :

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But these results are with supported rifle.

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For the position from which you shoot, your results are not bad at all, but as I mentioned earlier, if you want to test the true capabilities of your weapon, you must provide it with ideal conditions, and only then will it become clear what you can count on from this replica. About a shooting match between us - Poland is a day's drive away, so I'll load the guns and come visit you

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Doctor Jest

· #122 · 7 mo ago

Love to see this level of camaraderie! A lot of Airsofters are so self-centered and don't care to share, but you guys are just the opposite

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Cripplegunner

· #123 · 7 mo ago

Doctor Jest said:
Love to see this level of camaraderie! A lot of Airsofters are so self-centered and don't care to share, but you guys are just the opposite

Some fanatic airsoft players hiding everything about their equipment and replicas, to keep the element of surprise intact. But we are from all over the world . Kociec don't have possibility to come on my field and kick my arse , and I will never play on his field, the chances for me to get back in the US again and play with the yankies are even less. So why not ? This forum is on a first place an airsoft university for most of us. So I am keen to to learn and share .

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Doctor Jest

· #124 · 7 mo ago

I agree. It's a shame that more individuals don't think the way you do. I joined a few airsoft teams with that aim in mind, and happily, it seemed to work out well.....had a great time on and off the field because no-one had anything to prove. Unless it was eating a preposterous amount of burgers on a bet

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kociec

Discussion Starter · #125 · 7 mo ago

Hi again,

What do you think, its possible that two guns with the same: BB weight, Velocity and backspin can have different length of "flat trajectory"? Some guys says that have 100m flat trajectory with lets say 3,2J, when another one can reach maybe 80m with 3,5J. Is it possible? Or not? My gun shots just like in "Airsoft Ballistic Calculator" app. I tried it and its equal to the model (pic below). My tflat trajectory ends in about 84m away. Start elevation is 1,45m and in 84m i have about 1,2m elevation. In 90 meters I need to aim about 80 cm above target and for 100m I need to aim 1,5m above. How it looks for your guns? In my gun this app work really good. MK-23 1,0J using 0,40g and VSR 3,5J using 0,48g i pretty well covered by this app calculations. Can I achieve longer flat trajectory? Or saying like "I have 100m flat with 3,5J" is just internet myths from guys which never measured it?

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SiliconeSword

· #126 · 7 mo ago (Edited)

I use this app too, and find it to be very accurate.

As people have noticed early on with the MK23, low to medium power with heavy BBs is very good, and will outdo nearly everything. You will shoot really far, but that's just compared to people with the same power and light BBs.
The advantage of higher power does not increase range super drastically, but time to target will be better, which will bring better accuracy as there is less time for wind and stuff to shift the BB.

As for 100m flat, those people are full of shit, and tend to be british most of the time(FB and YouTube), so I'd just ignore those people. I carry a rangefinder every time I play and have a hit of 114m with 2.8J with .43g BBs in September of 2019, but that was because of at least 6 feet of arc and wind being good.

One thing that would be nice for this calculator to have is humidity and elevation/pressure as those play a huge factor when I shoot my .22, but that would probably be out of the developer's scope so to speak, and I doubt Strelok or Chairgun will add a backspin feature to their apps.

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Cripplegunner

· #127 · 7 mo ago

Flat trajectory at 100 meters with an airsoft replica? Whoever claims this is simply very far from the laws of physics and dynamics. A dreamer's wet dreams...
2 weeks ago in Cologne in the Golden Shot discipline I got 2 out of 5 hits at 125 meters on a 50 by 50 centimeter target and that earned me first place in an international handicap veteran airsoft tournament. The second remained with 105 meters. The rules of the "Golden Shot" are as follows: it starts from 50 meters and everyone who hits the target at least once continues at a distance of 5 meters greater. The Romanian who came second hit once at 105 meters and then I was competing with myself at 110, 115, 120, 125 and 130 meters. At 130, I failed once. And my trajectory was like a camel's back ;-)

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kociec

Discussion Starter · #128 · 7 mo ago

Wow, congrats @Cripplegunner ! What bbs weight you use and what power in J? What was you elevation compensation in 100m? You had overhop or flat trajectory?

Cripplegunner

· #129 · 7 mo ago

Thank you dude !
In the "Golden Shot" discipline, I used this DMR from the photo. As usual: 0.48 grams BB from ASG AI precision series . The power of the replica is 4.1 Joules, the other details are: inner barrel 650 mm; 6.02 mm diameter; custom made extended steel cylinder and cylinder head as one piece, aluminum piston with steel head, gearbox 32:1 ; 17K brushless motor; Maxx Pro hop up chamber and Maple leaf 70degrees bucking with omega presser. Battery: li-po 11.1 volts / 90C / 9200 mAh by Traxxas . Optics are by Night Force USA. To be honest any of the shots over 90 meters were pure luck and accuracy was due to doubting and compensating vertically to the target. Over hop is not the solution because at such distances even the heaviest BB's fly on an unpredictable trajectory. So at each distance we were allowed 5 shots, and I always used the first one or two for "cold" shooting. To move further to another range was enough to hit the target once.

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Doctor Jest

· #130 · 7 mo ago

"As for 100m flat, those people are full of shit, and tend to be british most of the time"

That is broadly correct, as 95% of the population have no background in firearms at all. However, not our fault.......

I suspect this app only works on more modern phones. Sadface.

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Cripplegunner

· #131 · 7 mo ago

Doctor Jest said:
"As for 100m flat, those people are full of shit, and tend to be british most of the time"

That is broadly correct, as 95% of the population have no background in firearms at all. However, not our fault.......

I suspect this app only works on more modern phones. Sadface.

Аnd I have the misfortune of being born and raised in Bulgaria. I am of mixed origin with a Bulgarian father and a Ukrainian mother. We know from history that both breeds are warlike and have proven it over the centuries. The rest is not enough, but I live in a city where the largest arms manufacturing company in Europe is located - the Arsenal factory, and half the city works there. It is not at all "healthy" to walk the streets of the city at midnight on December 31st or any other holiday. It sounds and looks like Beirut...
We are not talking about legally and lawfully owned guns. In every house there are several pistols and AK-47s taken illegally from the factory in parts and assembled at home Every second man in the city is a hunter, luckily I am one of the first ones - a fisherman

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Doctor Jest

· #132 · 7 mo ago

I have heard it's insane there, got a chum from that neck of the woods who says the same. I think I'd prefer somewhere in the middle ground, the UK is crap if you're into shooting sports and your location sounds far too full on

I'll see if I can get this app, it seems interesting......but not "Buy a new phone" interesting!

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SiliconeSword

· #133 · 7 mo ago

Oh sick, I've heard about their guns, they're supposed to be pretty good.

@Doctor Jest you could probably get a phone for like $20 on eBay that would be suitable.

Doctor Jest

· #134 · 7 mo ago

Works on Kindle, looks good.

kociec

Discussion Starter · #135 · 7 mo ago

@Doctor Jest It works on my smartphone, powered by Android. If you wanna check any combinations - write me then on priv, I will send you screens with it.

@Cripplegunner as you mentioned before, you reach the 125m shot in target. I did fast simulation and graph for your config. I set flat trajectory, I mean with angle 0.0 deg highest point of trajectory was on distance 70m with elevation 1,67m (starting was 1,50m), so only 17 cm overhop , what is imho good flat trajectory. It looks like below. As we can see you have to aim 3,8 deg above target, BB in highest piont achieved about 7,0m (5,5 above start point :O ) and fly for about 3,0s. It touch the ground only 3m further. For shot like this trajectory in the end is ultra steep and even small error with angle will affect that BB wil fly over targer or don't even fly to it.

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Plazmaburn

· #136 · 7 mo ago

I run an android VM. Keeps my phone clean of bullshit.

Cripplegunner

· #137 · 7 mo ago

kociec said:
@Doctor Jest It works on my smartphone, powered by Android. If you wanna check any combinations - write me then on priv, I will send you screens with it.

@Cripplegunner as you mentioned before, you reach the 125m shot in target. I did fast simulation and graph for your config. I set flat trajectory, I mean with angle 0.0 deg highest point of trajectory was on distance 70m with elevation 1,67m (starting was 1,50m), so only 17 cm overhop , what is imho good flat trajectory. It looks like below. As we can see you have to aim 3,8 deg above target, BB in highest piont achieved about 7,0m (5,5 above start point :O ) and fly for about 3,0s. It touch the ground only 3m further. For shot like this trajectory in the end is ultra steep and even small error with angle will affect that BB wil fly over targer or don't even fly to it.

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Have a look at this video how the guys playing with a 2.6 Joules sniper machine :

On that day in Cologne, we started 43 people in the "Golden Shot" discipline. Most of them failed at distances up to 100 m. Only I and the Romanian Dumitru had success at 105 m.
You wouldn't believe how many people practice shooting at ultra long distances and try to prove that airsoft systems are not just toys. But that's damn hard to prove

None of the participants were using any app from their phone or laptop. Shooting at such ranges is more like slingshot shooting than gun shooting. But my medal, diploma and trophy are a fact and are placed in my home in a central place ;-) I don't want to prove anything to anyone, nor to convince anyone of my abilities. I'm just sharing results - without emotion and without embellishing the facts. I am a 60-year-old disabled person with impaired vision and hearing, and I do not rely much on the various gadgets and applications out there. Most of all, I believe that 500 BB's a day "wasted" helps me more than any software

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kociec

Discussion Starter · #138 · 7 mo ago

Really interesting. Your 125m was huge differences to second place and 105m. HUGE!
It shows that your skills compared to other normal people are awesome. Can you tell me more about this Golden Shot competition? Post some photos? Or send aby link describing this content? There is no single word about it on internet...what is strange for international event. I want to know more about it.

Cripplegunner

· #139 · 7 mo ago

We-the crippled veterans are closed society and don't like publicity, which is normal as most of us has been put in the corner of the society and nobody gives a s..t about how we live and survive after become a cripple.
Our friendly tournaments going in 4 different disciplines :
1. Target shooting with pistol at 10 m. 5 rounds with 10 shots each.
2 . Target shooting with AEG assault rifle at 25 meters. 5 rounds with 10 shots in each.
3. Field target shooting poligon : the course is usually 500 meters or so. We moving into a track 3 meters wide with our wheelchairs, and trying to hit 9,11 or so targets positioned on both sides of the track. The targets are usually empty cans, baloons, toys etc. You have 20 BB's on your disposal and the winner in this discipline is this one, who has shot more , or all targets, with minimal number of shots and for fastest time.
4. "Golden Shot" . It is open class allowing all kinds of replicas choosed by the competitors . No limits for power, or BB's weight or aiming units. The competition starts at 50 meters. Everyone who have at least one shot in the target going further to 55 meters, and so on . Distance is rising with step of 5 meters. And the free beer is paid by the winner ;-)

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Doctor Jest

· #140 · 7 mo ago

Super-long range shooting is an event a friend of mine set up for recently - he managed 156m! The caveat here is that he needed a very specific rig to do it (extended MOA periscope, tripod) and was only running at the UK limit. One of @Cripplegunner's DMR setups would probably hit 200m with the same rig, if not further. Swamp sniper above there would do better to practice some basic marksmanship principles but it's one of the view videos I've seen that actually demonstrates what a pain in the arse real long-distance shooting is like.

Keep up the discussion you guys, thoroughly enjoying this.

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