[JTFox]

Hey guys!

Im new to the sniper spot on a team and im trying to learn as much as I can. I read through all the tips players have posted on these forums and they helped a lot! If anyone has any tips (tactics, ghillie crafting, ect.) for a new sniper please let me know by a post or pm!

Im currently using our teams Mauser SR Pro Tactical rifle, the bucking on it was torn in half before I had a chance to use it, so its a little hard for me to take full advantage of the pros that come with being a sniper. So im forced to keep my G36C on me when a situation turns really bad.

Now to the reason Im making this post in this section.
Im looking into buying my own sniper rifle and I have done a ton of research, but due to the fact im new to these types of guns I have probally over looked something. My budget is roughly $200. I plan on spending $100 on the rifle and $100 on the upgrades.

Heres what Ive came up with:
Gun:
JG BAR-10 w/Bi-Pod
$110 evike.com Sniper-JG-BAR10-Std
I really like the look of this rifle, the reviews and upgrades for this gun seem outstanding!

Upgrades:
VSR 10 Angel Custom Piston & Trigger Sear Set
$40 evike.com AC-VSR-01
VSR 10 Angel Custom Spring Guide*
$25 evike.com AC-VSR-02
VSR 10 Angel Custom Adv Piston*
$45 evike.com AC-VSR-10
VSR 10 Angel Custom SP170 spring (480-550)*
$15 evike.com AC-VSR-SP170

*I may swap out the spring guide, piston, and spring for this Angel Custom tune up kit to cut down the price. (so my wife dosent kill me)
VSR 10 Angeul Custom SP150 Tune Up Kit
$50 evike.com AC-VSR10-KIT01

Other variations of inital upgrades include a sear set, spring, tightbore barrel, and bucking.
Im thinking of using 0.36 BBs for long range, and it will keep my fps down. (Our teams field is 500 fps limit for sniper rifles)

Any suggestions please let me know!

 

[Dishmechanic]

Angel Custom parts arnt all that great.

 

[JTFox]

I understand PDI and Laylax have some of the highest grade parts around, but I can only sink in so much cash into airsoft right now. Any "budget brands" that are somewhat quality?

 

[Cheese Man]

You should not buy cylinder parts first.

Instead you should buy a new inner barrel, I suggest prometheus, an R-hop and a nineball bucking. Then, shim your arm and perform teflon mods and other such mods to increase your FPS, but do not buy cylinder parts first.

 

[zero]

Agree with the above, don't forget the Dangerwerx hop up arm either cheese

Zero

 

[JTFox]

Start from the front and work to the back sort of thing?
I heard about R-Hop units, they made longer contact with the barrel, but sometimes you will need to drill an extra long window in your barrel. I could be wrong.
I have never done the teflon mod, but ill look it up. I want my fps to end up to 450-500ish, but the most important part is accuracy and range.
Have you heard of the Matrix Snow Wolf VSR 10? Its about the same price as JGs BAR-10.

 

[Masterjuggler98]

First, you don't need the dangerwerx arm unless your current arm brakes, in which case get one of Cheese's arms and put on your own nub. Second, for the r-hop you don't need to cut the barrel, that is for the ER-hop, which stands for extended r-hop. I have the r-hop with a nineball bucking for the air seal and it works great, although I have been wanting to get the er-hop for some time now. You only need to do the teflon mod on the cylinder head, and that is if your o-ring on it isn't doing it's job. Don't do the teflon on the bucking because the dental floss or better yet, anti-blowback rings are better (basically clamps down the bucking so no air can get out).

Cheese, I think you were looking for this:
http://airsoftsniperforum.com/showthread.php?t=4314
That's the upgrading procedure.

When you get a bar10 you should do the TDC mod to counter the right hooking issue. Even if you don't have that right curve issue it is still a good idea to do it in terms of consistency. I have a link to the guide I made in my description.

 

[woogie]

Go with this first.....

Your bar10 ..... $110

Parts...... keep the stock inner barrel and polish the crap out of it.
Piston $35
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=362_364&products_id=5709
Spring $15
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=362_364&products_id=3457
Mag $12
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=60_121&products_id=3499
Ammo $16
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_44_194&products_id=2266

Total $ 78

That will make sure that you have money for another mag, for a total of 3, or for a bucking that you like. Though if you do a few simple mods you can have a decent rifle, without an MED so you don't have to worry about a pistol. And if you are planning on carrying your G36 anyway you can use the sniper rifle for the most accurate of shots.

 

[JTFox]

I dont mind spending a little more than $200, i do prefer to get all my parts from evike. (20% off coupon this month) But if i can get better parts for good prices I dont mind ordering from more than one place.

Ill deff do all those DIY mods to increase consistancy and fps.

I dont plan on keeping my g36 on me when i get this new rifle. And for a new spring I know the sears are a must.

 

[JTFox]

I dont mind spending a little more than $200, i do prefer to get all my parts from evike. (20% off coupon this month) But if i can get better parts for good prices I dont mind ordering from more than one place.

Ill deff do all those DIY mods to increase consistancy and fps.

I dont plan on keeping my g36 on me when i get this new rifle. And for a new spring I know the sears are a must.

 

[Masterjuggler98]

Don't forget about a new bucking. Unless you want to get the r-hop right off the bat I would get the nineball bucking. Tht thing ges me a 100% air seal without any mods and before I got the r-hop it also gave a great consistency over a large range of fps.

 

[JTFox]

Okay, so lets recap.
Either RBucking, or Nineball Bucking
New barrel (promeitheus?)
New spring SP170 or a little lighter
New sears to hold up the spring
DIY mods (TDC + others)
Plus ammo and mags

Does that sound better? I feel like ill get more accuracy and range out of this build. And i can upgrade the piston and spring guide later as the gun gets more use. I just fear a strong spring will damage the stock piston and spring guide.

 

[Masterjuggler98]

If you plan on keeping the 45 degree sear system I would go for a lower spring. The 45 degree system normally can't handle springs that powerful. In fact I think it was designed to enforce the 1 joule limit in some places, although I could be wrong. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, I'm just saying you have a high possibility of slam fire and you will get increased wear on the sears.

One more thing, keep in mine that the Prommy barrels are the same as the Laylax barrel ad the Nineball barrel. I've been told they come from the same factory, just under different names. Don't hold me to that one though, get a second opinion on that.

 

[JTFox]

I was deff planning on a new sear set for the stronger spring, do they usually advertise if the set is 90 or 45 degs? Id like it to last, so the 90 deg sounds perfect.

As far as the barrels go ill deff keep that in mind. Prommy likes to have fancy colors and things, but youll pay for it. What size barrel do you reccomend? A 6.01?

And one more thing, the stock spring guide and piston will be okay under the pressure of such a strong spring? Im pretty worried about that.

 

[Masterjuggler98]

With the stock trigger you can only use 45 degree sears. To use 90 degree sears, you need to get a better grigger entirely, like the z-trig. The prommy barrel is known for it's 6.03 barrel. The .01 gets better groupings at closer ranges, such as 100 fo, but the .03 gets better groupings at longer range, like 250+. I got the 6.03 EDGI but I with I had gotten the 6.03 Prommy because I would rather the longer range. As for the stock spring and spring guide, they will not break immediately but they will wear much faster with that strong off a spring. I can't give you any estimate because all parts are made differently, different people use their rifles differently, and weather conditions are always different. I posted the link to Cheese's upgrading procedure before, so read through that to find out what to upgrade first.

 

[JTFox]

So that .03 sounds much better, im looking for the range. Ill look up prices and brands ztrigs for the 90 deg sears. Id like to put a part in and make it last. Ill probally just get everything at once. Replace the barrel, bucking, sears, spring, spring guide, trigger, and piston all at once. I can talk the old lady into droppin 300 or less.

Id just like to get these upgrades once and not have to mess with t for awhile.

 

[Masterjuggler98]

There are only 2 brands of z-trigs as far as I know, the Laylax one and the Avtion army one. The LL is between 200~250$ while the AA is 135$. Yet the AA z-trig is generally accepted to be of the same quality as the LL, although the AA piston that comes with it is much much much better than the LL piston. I am using the AA z-trig and piston and I am getting a 1--% air seal with it. The only thing you should be warned about with the AA z-trig is you will need to sand/file down the sides of the spring guide stopper to make it fit, although that only takes a minute. I get what you mean by getting all the good upgrades at once, that's what I tried to do, although it cost me a little over 500 so be prapared to make some compromises.

 

[JTFox]

Wow the ztrig looks pretty expensive, I can get away with around $300 for everything. I'd deal with the 45 deg sears and have to replace them until I can afford a ztrig and 90 deg sears.

So I'll just go with all the other upgrades I mentioned. I'll wear down the stock sears and the newer sears a bit faster but I'll be able to have other parts through the gun upgraded so it should work great until I get the new trigger.

I do like the DIY mods such as stuffing the stock, and wrapping the piston. From the looks of those they can each up the fps a little in theyre own right or help you stay undetected. I will be doing these.

Unless I missed it (I'm on my phone) do you know if the Matrix Snow Wolf VSR-10 is worth getting instead of the JG BAR-10? They're both the same model so all theses upgraded parts will work. I've heard of Matrix in good and bad light, but I honestly don't know. the reason I ask is because they are both very similar in price. I'd just like to have the best stock parts I can get my hands on, in my price range of course. I plan on using the extra stock parts on my buddies gun.

 

[JTFox]

I can only get away with spending around $300 because it's my bday, otherwise my wife would slaughter me!!!

 

[Masterjuggler98]

All matrix products tend to be absolute crap, or at least most. It is possible that you could get lucky and get something good but I wouldn't risk it. Stick with the tried and true method; the JG bar10.