On/Off valves for air rig

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mroverkill

Discussion Starter · May 6, 2011

Alright, I'm looking to put together an air rig for my new loadout and need some help.

Admittedly I am not the most savvy person when it comes down to the details of air rigs.

What I have so far is a AustinWolv regulator setup and a Crossfire 68ci bottle. The only problem is I'd like to have an On/Off on top of the bottle in front of the regulators so I can de-pressurize the regs between games. IF anyone could help me with that, I'd be much obliged.

Also, how long can I leave a bottle pressurized safely and how should I fully depressurize the bottle (If I should at all)?

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hidden187

· #2 · May 6, 2011

I have left a bottle pressurized for up to 6 months, but its always good to unpressurize them.

So what you want is an asa or well one of these ( http://www.zephyrpaintball.com/category/paintball_pro_shops.custom_products.custom_products_on_off_paintball_asa_s/ ). From there you run it into your reg, if I can I will get a pic of my rig.

Now the only thing is that there will be residual air from the mag to the reg, so if you have a quick disconnect set up there will be air loss.

To depressurize the bottle you can use the hose and us it as a key board cleaner.

bobgengeskahn

· #3 · May 6, 2011

Google is your friend:
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The fitting at the bottom of the picture attached to the hose screws to the top of your bottle and on that is a knob that will depress the pin on the ASA fitting so you can turn it "on" or "off". The other side has a QD fitting, and if you look around you can find other remote lines with a check valve on it for a little more.

Edit: Blast!, you win this time hidden...

hidden187

· #4 · May 6, 2011

Haha don't worry it happens to me all the time

mroverkill

Discussion Starter · #5 · May 6, 2011

I had been googling it for a few hours yesterday. The only problem that I can't figure out is that the HPA tanks have female threads on them.

This is the valve I've found: http://www.directpaintball.com/Smart-Parts-Preset-OnOff-Female-Valves-P2116C1408.aspx

this is the bottle I want to use: http://www.crossfireinc.com/products.asp?cat=29

Any help?

hidden187

· #6 · May 6, 2011

mroverkill said:
I had been googling it for a few hours yesterday. The only problem that I can't figure out is that the HPA tanks have female threads on them.

This is the valve I've found: http://www.directpaintball.com/Smart-Parts-Preset-OnOff-Female-Valves-P2116C1408.aspx

this is the bottle I want to use: http://www.crossfireinc.com/products.asp?cat=29

Any help?

Not say those are bad but this is what I use
http://www.ansgear.com/Ninja_Aluminum_Air_Tank_w_Adjustable_Reg_13_3000_p/ninjatank-13.htm
much smaller still HPA and it last for a long time.

As for a ASA I play paintball so I used the dye I had thats about $50, but this will work http://www.ansgear.com/CP_Mini_On_Off_ASA_s/397.htm

If you get both from this site you will save in shipping , but this is just my opinion. You can go any route you want we are here to help you with your questions, not tell you what to do.

mroverkill

Discussion Starter · #7 · May 6, 2011

I'm going with the 68ci because it takes up the same amount of space on my rig the way I have it set up. Also, Crossfires have the fastest recharge time of any HPA tank. The reason I keep asking about the ASA is because the HPA tanks have female threads on the neck. http://www.crossfireinc.com/products.asp?cat=29 This is the regulator they sell: http://www.crossfireinc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SSReg&cat=30

I'm trying to find something so that I don't have a third regulator doing nothing on the bottle neck, again, I don't know much about rigs, will I need to get the bottle with the reg on top of it?

bobgengeskahn

· #8 · May 6, 2011

mroverkill said:
I'm going with the 68ci because it takes up the same amount of space on my rig the way I have it set up. Also, Crossfires have the fastest recharge time of any HPA tank. The reason I keep asking about the ASA is because the HPA tanks have female threads on the neck. http://www.crossfireinc.com/products.asp?cat=29 This is the regulator they sell: http://www.crossfireinc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SSReg&cat=30

I'm trying to find something so that I don't have a third regulator doing nothing on the bottle neck, again, I don't know much about rigs, will I need to get the bottle with the reg on top of it?

All tanks will have a female thread on them, but they are normally sold with something in the neck. On a CO2 rig there will be a simple ASA with a safety valve, on an HPA tank you need to get a bottle neck that will regulate it down to ~850psi from the bottle, then you can use a normal regulator in your system to bring it down to operating pressures. Most of the HPA tanks that I have seen come with one already, but this is what you are looking for:
http://www.paintball-online.com/shop/Product/Regulators/Ninja-Paintball-HPA-Tank-Regulator-4500-psi-RGNJTR45K.aspx
However, its going to depend on the pressure of the exact tank you are looking to get since (3000, 4800psi etc.)

mroverkill

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 6, 2011

Oh, Ok, I was under the impression that it was another regulator that performed the same function as the Palmer's Stabilizer D'Oh. Thanks for your help. That clears it all up then.

bobgengeskahn

· #10 · May 6, 2011

Yeah, HPA rigs normally have 2 or even 3 stage regulators depending how low you want to go or which regs you are using. The nice thing is that one regulator is in the bottle.

mroverkill

Discussion Starter · #11 · May 6, 2011

Yeah, I'm going three stage, I know a lot about the bottles and I know a lot about everything past the palmers, but I don't know anything in between. Thanks for all your guys' help.

hidden187

· #12 · May 6, 2011

mroverkill said:
I'm going with the 68ci because it takes up the same amount of space on my rig the way I have it set up. Also, Crossfires have the fastest recharge time of any HPA tank. The reason I keep asking about the ASA is because the HPA tanks have female threads on the neck. http://www.crossfireinc.com/products.asp?cat=29 This is the regulator they sell: http://www.crossfireinc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SSReg&cat=30

I'm trying to find something so that I don't have a third regulator doing nothing on the bottle neck, again, I don't know much about rigs, will I need to get the bottle with the reg on top of it?

I have been playing paintball for more then 8 years and that made no sense what so ever.

The tank has a reg built in to go from 3000psi to about 700psi, then you have a second reg that brings it from 700psi to any were from 300 to 10psi.

Now I don't know were you got the recharge thing from but that is only in paintball when you are shooting 20 BPS, the recharge is actually related to the cubic inches of the tank. It basically means nothing in airsoft, so save your self a few bucks and down size it to the 13ci.

All an ASA is, its a on off valve for your tank, its to help remove air from the system and to prevent air loss from the tank when removing it.

So this is how you want your set up> tank> asa on the tank>reg>coiled hose> gun mag.

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mroverkill

Discussion Starter · #13 · May 6, 2011

I know that made no sense, and that's because I completely overlooked the step down to 850. I was being stupid.

I'm going with the 4500 PSI 68ci because the closest fill place is ~1 hour away and I don't have my driver's license yet, so I have to impinge on my folks whenever I need a fill, if I cut down on the number of fills, the less upset my folks are.

hidden187

· #14 · May 7, 2011

mroverkill said:
I know that made no sense, and that's because I completely overlooked the step down to 850. I was being stupid.

I'm going with the 4500 PSI 68ci because the closest fill place is ~1 hour away and I don't have my driver's license yet, so I have to impinge on my folks whenever I need a fill, if I cut down on the number of fills, the less upset my folks are.

Expect to a loss of about ~300psi every month or 2 depending on the weather.

mroverkill

Discussion Starter · #15 · May 7, 2011

Ok, thanks for that info. You guys have been really helpful.

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