[tarmageddon]

Hey guys,

This thread is going to be about a clone that I am planning on buying and upgrading in the next couple of months. I know you moderators like things neat on this forum, and I promise to do my best, but I do have a number of questions and I am still a little unsure as to what order they should go in, so please accept my apologies in advance.

First, the rifle.

If you have been following my intro thread (I am not arrogant enough to think you are THAT interested

) you will know I was trying to decide between the Tokyo Marui L96 for its authentic magazine, and a clone for its wide upgrade availability. I think I am leaning towards a clone because it is SO much easier and cheaper to get upgrade parts.
The clone itself will be a Well MB01. I dont really like the folding stock on the MB08 and UTG dont seem to be available in the UK, with the shipping costs from anywhere else negating the initial difference in price.

So my initial "wish-list" of upgrades goes as follows (working from the back of the gun forwards):

I want to make two complete bolt and cylinder units. My local Airsoft venue has a 350 fps limit with no exceptions for sniper rifles, regardless of range. It would be really slick if I could switch between 350 and ??max?? FPS simply by dropping the sear in front of the trigger, sliding the whole bolt and cylinder unit out and sliding the new one in.

So, question 1) Can you buy a replacement bolt handle complete with the "square" back section where the cocked indicator protrudes from to enable me to carry out this "cunning plan" and if so who makes it and do they have a stockist in the UK?

So with that in mind the 350 fps bolt would consist of:
Stock cylinder, spring guide, piston and cylinder head
Home-made silencing on the cylinder head
Cut or replacement spring set for 350 FPS OR one of those little screw-in power reducers

And the max-power bolt:
Laylax teflon cylinder with silenced head
Laylax metal piston
Laylax metal spring guide
Laylax high-power spring of some description

And for the rest of the rifle:
Laylax "Zero" trigger unit
PDI hop-up
PDI 6.01mm tightbore x 495mm inner barrel
PDI Fluted outer barrel
PDI Suppressor attachment
PDI Flash hider (maybe a supressor later, but I don't want to make the thing so long as to be unwieldy, and I like the aesthetics of the flash hider)
Funky camo paint job customised for my local venue

Question 2) Laylax vs PDI? At first I thought that Laylax were the ONLY make for internals from the hop-up back, but looking at Airsoft Atlanta I see that PDI make a full range of pistons, cylinder, even a trigger unit now to compete with the Zero, so what brand do you experts reccomend? Or is it best to do what I originally thought and use PDI for the barrel arrangement and Laylax for the internals?

Question 3) Does anyone know of a UK supplier of PDI parts? I have found ALL the Laylax internals available over here but the only PDI parts I can find are the hop-up and a short fluted barrel. And as a sub-question to this who do you UK guys use for your parts? Do you get them over here or from the US (or anywhere else for that matter)?

Question 4) I see the PDI hop-up has two arms with separate adjustment screws... does this allow you to put more pressure on one side of the ball than the other and thus give you a sideways trajectory adjustment as well as up and down?

so.. I hope you dont mind 4 questions in one. Thanks in advance

T

 

[inthetallgrass]

Alright here.
Only two websites are necessary.

Xfire.org - This supplies all the parts necessary for cheaper than usual. Shipping is usually fixed at

 

[tarmageddon]

Oh wow I didn't realise they sold the gun with the MB01 non-folding stock and the MB08 fluted barrel. That is MY gun thanks very much!!

I notice this one doesn't come with a scope or bipod though. A standard MB01 comes with them for around

 

[inthetallgrass]

[quote="Tarmageddon":ya7pzxvm]Oh wow I didn't realise they sold the gun with the MB01 non-folding stock and the MB08 fluted barrel. That is MY gun thanks very much!!

I notice this one doesn't come with a scope or bipod though. A standard MB01 comes with them for around

 

[newbie]

if it is the mb01 it will take a normal type 96 adapter, if it is the mb08 good luck, I have tried a type 96, vsr, vsr gspec, aps II SV/OR adaptors and none have worked

 

[tarmageddon]

I looked at that site for scopes and bipods. The scope isn't too much of an issue as there is a very nice airgun shop round the corner from me who stock Simmons and AGS scopes for very good value. I am a little confused on the bipod though, does it not have to be made specifically for the type 96, or does the rifle have some kind of universal bipod mount?

Newbie it is the MB08 barrel yes. Do you have any more information as to why it doesn't fit? Threads too fine or coarse or the wrong pitch or direction? Or is the MB08 barrel a completely different size or bore to the PDI one? Just trying to figure it out before I get started as the cause of the not fitting could drastically alter the difficulty of re-engineering it so that it does!!

 

[inthetallgrass]

It should fit a Harris with either the pin underneath it OR any with an RIS mount. Also make sure to get a barrel which is the same size as the original.

 

[tarmageddon]

Well the barrel comes with it... Or do you mean the inner?

 

[inthetallgrass]

I mean when getting a Tight bore barrel.

 

[tarmageddon]

Ah ok yes will do. What does the MB01 with the 08 outer barrel come with as standard? 495mm?

 

[inthetallgrass]

yeah about that so get a 480 or a 510. Just make it close enough.

 

[hoggie]

Have you decided on which type of spring? My M170 put me at 450 w/ a .36, or 540~ with a .2

 

[tarmageddon]

You can get a Prometheus 500 but it says "For TM M14 only" but I assume once the PDI hop-up is installed it will fit a series 96 as well?

Hoggie I haven't yet, but as I said I am going to need two, one for full power and I expect the other will be the stock one cut down to 350.

 

[inthetallgrass]

You can get a Prometheus 500 but it says "For TM M14 only" but I assume once the PDI hop-up is installed it will fit a series 96 as well?

Hoggie I haven't yet, but as I said I am going to need two, one for full power and I expect the other will be the stock one cut down to 350.

NO the TM m14 has a special cut barrel. Do not get it whatever you do. Get one which is 10mm bigger or smaller if you need to. It won't make too much difference.

Also good man listening to me and cutting the spring. You'll have a really quite gun. Last night actually I completely took apart my gun and I put in too much teflon tape and actually expanded the cylinder head. The draw is really hard now so I might have to fork out big money for a new cylinder unit.

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[tarmageddon]

Ah ok, will probably get the 509 in that case as I can then be totally sure it's fully supported.

As far as the end goes it seems most suppressors and flash hiders are 14mm CCW so I think the best bet is to manufacture my own adapter using the stock MB08 muzzle cap and some 14mm CCW studding. Will be sure to let you know how that goes when it happens later in the year

Edit: Fixed spelling mistakes caused by the lousy iPhone spell-checker.

 

[inthetallgrass]

Ah ok, will probably get the 509 in that case as I can then be totally sure it's fully supported.

As far as the end goes it seems most suppressors and flash hiders are 14mm CCW so I think the best bet is to manufacture my own adapter using the stock MB08 muzzle cap and some 14mm CCW studding. Will be sure to let you know how that goes when it happens later in the year

Edit: Fixed spelling mistakes caused by the lousy iPhone spell-checker.

Hate Apple's spell-checks. Are you going to weld the 14mmCCW thing on to the muzzle cap? Also good look finding CCW threaders or a CCW screw set thing. I tried to make my own with my school lathe and my uncles but couldn't get any of the nub things that thread the damn things.

Also if I already haven't said, make your own barrel spacers with electrical tape.

And then lastly the 509 barrel will stick out of the muzzle. In fact the it won't go through the muzzle cap so you'll have to dremmel that.

 

[inthetallgrass]

Ah ok, will probably get the 509 in that case as I can then be totally sure it's fully supported.

As far as the end goes it seems most suppressors and flash hiders are 14mm CCW so I think the best bet is to manufacture my own adapter using the stock MB08 muzzle cap and some 14mm CCW studding. Will be sure to let you know how that goes when it happens later in the year

Edit: Fixed spelling mistakes caused by the lousy iPhone spell-checker.

Hate Apple's spell-checks. Are you going to weld the 14mmCCW thing on to the muzzle cap? Also good look finding CCW threaders or a CCW screw set thing. I tried to make my own with my school lathe and my uncles but couldn't get any of the nub things that thread the damn things.

Also if I already haven't said, make your own barrel spacers with electrical tape.

And then lastly the 509 barrel will stick out of the muzzle. In fact the it won't go through the muzzle cap so you'll have to dremmel that.

 

[tarmageddon]

Whether or not the threaded stud can be welded to the muzzle cap depends on the type of metal. If it's mild or stainless steel then it can be welded as long as I buy the stud in the same type of steel, but if it's aluminium the threads on the stud would be too weak, and it's VERY unlikely that anyone manufactures a threaded bolt or stud in aluminium for that reason.

I strongly suspect however that as it's a cosmetic part made in China that it will be made of some kind of cheap alloy or monkey metal which is un-weldable, so I was intending on welding a nut to the stud behind the muzzle cap so that it acts as a bolt head and the stud can be tightened into the muzzle cap from the back.

Getting the studding itself shouldn't be a problem, we have a massive fasteners factory in our town with a trade counter, but you're right, getting a CCW tap and die set may be more challenging! If the worst comes to the worst my friend's father runs an engineering firm so he could tap the cap for me for a very reasonable cost.

If I am modding the muzzle cap I am sure I can make sure the barrel will go through. I would rather do that than cut the barrel as any imperfections caused by cutting the barrel could have unpredictable effects on the airflow around the BB and therefore the accuracy of the gun.

Finally as far as barrel spacers are concerned I was going to buy the ready made ones from either PDI or Laylax. I know tape is cheaper but

 

[newbie]

The MB08 fluted barrel taperes to a small diameter at the end. all of the silencer adapters I have tried have been to large to thread in. Also regular type 96 barrel spacers wont work either since the barrel tapers you cannot get one of the spacers far enough down the barrel to be effective.

 

[tarmageddon]

Haha sounds like a total nightmare!!

There IS still a chance that I will go back to plan A and get an MB01 complete with bipod and scope and put a nice "fits all appropriate attachments" PDI duralmin fluted barrel in. Ok it's slightly more expensive that way but if you can't spend money to avoid hassle what's the point of having a job??