R-Hop
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Thanks Woogie, I had a feeling that would be the case. If I do pursue this other barrel mod I will probably start another thread, or atleast retitle this one since it's nothing like the R-Hop. One other question, is the SHC hop-up (I think thats what its called) in the middle of the barrel on classics? I think that is what I have been seeing, and I have been contemplating it as a variance on this unit as well...
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Woogie is sort of right, the off-set 'step' is infact what is used to induce the back spin on the bb to raise it to the top of the barrel, a bit like our 'normal' nub style hops.
Most modern day users of the LRB just set their normal hop so that it adds a little flick to the bb to produce the same effect.
With my experiments with the long hop nub combined with the LRB I found you don't need as drastic a curve in the barrel to achieve similar effects.
As I explained above I simply set the long hop to give best flight then added LRB effect to increas range, but not so much as to make the flight follow a strange path.
I'm not familiar with the hop half way down the barrel your describing, but at the time I was doing my research I was in the 'LRB zone' so didn't look at much else
It sounds interesting though and might be worth persuing if a suitable weapon and system could be built. I'll have a think on it and see if I can come up with some theories..... Do you have a link to the article you were looking at please chap?
Most modern day users of the LRB just set their normal hop so that it adds a little flick to the bb to produce the same effect.
With my experiments with the long hop nub combined with the LRB I found you don't need as drastic a curve in the barrel to achieve similar effects.
As I explained above I simply set the long hop to give best flight then added LRB effect to increas range, but not so much as to make the flight follow a strange path.
I'm not familiar with the hop half way down the barrel your describing, but at the time I was doing my research I was in the 'LRB zone' so didn't look at much else
It sounds interesting though and might be worth persuing if a suitable weapon and system could be built. I'll have a think on it and see if I can come up with some theories..... Do you have a link to the article you were looking at please chap?
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I can't seem to find it right now, I'll see if I have better luck tonight looking around for it, but here are some other goodies that might be interesting to some people:
http://blackwaterse.hu/knowledge/kb_show.php?id=18
http://classicairsoft.org/forum/showthread.php?8918-KG9-Aug-Hop-AEG-barrel-collar-recoil-wt.-tuning
http://blackwaterse.hu/knowledge/kb_show.php?id=18
http://classicairsoft.org/forum/showthread.php?8918-KG9-Aug-Hop-AEG-barrel-collar-recoil-wt.-tuning
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Thats ok, saves me the trouble
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Alas, I think that I have decided to press on with something... unconventional. Nothing against this system or HS5 or anyone that wants to do this, more power to you. I have just decided to venture more into more unexplored territory... as far as I know... So instead of taking this thread off topic I started a new one for the build I am doing so that others may, hopefully be able to continue on with this if they so choose or find it interesting enough...
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Plus three buckings and barrels assuming you screw all but one of them up...which I seriously hope you don't do.AHP said:
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Guys, just as a heads up, if any of you are interested, appearently HS5 is doing a limited run of Prommy barrels cut and installed with the ER hop. It's supposedly using a 455mm barrel, which is the most accurate on several individual accounts.
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So I thought I might ask it here... Hey metallicafatcat what do you think is the material HS5 using?
I've ordered one 455mm but I want to try it on the 800mm barrel I'm planning to use in the Barrett.
Wolf
I've ordered one 455mm but I want to try it on the 800mm barrel I'm planning to use in the Barrett.
Wolf
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My guess is as good as any body others. I'd say Bob has the right idea with it being some sort of tubing. I mean you could go all out and buy some and have them analyzed in a lab, but that would bring up some moral questions about stealing someones' idea. All I can say is that whatever he is using, there is probably some sort of winter variant to it, due to there being an IR hop.
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The IR-hop is designed to be more resilient at colder temperatures, it's also made out of a clear material and from what I can gather the normal R-hop is made from a dark material.
I have some IR-Hops sitting here waiting for install in my M14 when I get the chance to do (hopefully) my last overhaul on the Gearbox.
I'll let you guys know what I find.
I have some IR-Hops sitting here waiting for install in my M14 when I get the chance to do (hopefully) my last overhaul on the Gearbox.
I'll let you guys know what I find.
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From what I have read about it from various posts by HS5, the IR hop is a different rubber all together that is able to maintain its "sticky" or friction properties at a colder temperature. As opposed to the traditional R-Hop that, like most polymers, loses elasticity, and thus the "sticky" property as it gets colder.
For what its worth, the Tygon fuel line that I was playing with has the most promise, but the stock size of the line I was trying to use was too small, so it was a pain to try to get it shaped for the hop cut.
For what its worth, the Tygon fuel line that I was playing with has the most promise, but the stock size of the line I was trying to use was too small, so it was a pain to try to get it shaped for the hop cut.
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So I just installed an R-hop into my stock G&G M14 SOCOM2 barrel and although the barrel window is pretty shallow I have noticed a good 15-20 metre gain in distance. This is at sub 350 fps levels, with .28 madbull bb's.
Reckon I'm getting 65 metres of range easily now, I just haven't had enough time to set some targets up and get a scope zero'd in to check accuracy.
Reckon I'm getting 65 metres of range easily now, I just haven't had enough time to set some targets up and get a scope zero'd in to check accuracy.
I have installed R-hop into my upgraded Dboys PDW.When making mine,on the left and right edges of the patch I halved the edge of the patch,and ussing a diamond engraving bit on my dremel cut a channel 1mm deep into each side.This gave the patch a seat to sit down into the spacer window instead of sitting on top of the edge of the spacer window.It cannot fall into the barrel because the left and right sides of the patch overlap the outside of the barrel. It also dramatically reduces the amount of finish time on the outside of the patch grinding it down with emery cloth to fit a bucking over it.On the inside all that was required was smoothing with 220grit emery cloth.Its installed in a Madbul 6.03mmX220mm barrel I cut down and recrowned myself.Before R-hop I was able to get .25g KSC's to about 150ft.Ussing R-hop and .30g KSC's at 273fps I can accurately shoot tp 234-240ft paced off.Im in the process now of making an R-hop patch for my G3 equipped with a 6.01mmX470mm EDGI barrel.When I finish it I intend to try .4's or .43g bb's in it to see if I can replicate the success I had with my PDW.
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