[THEnextBESTthing]

Ok, so as many of you know, I am currently building an HK417 and I got to thinking... I might need a new sidearm, because I'm starting to get tired of my KWA USP .45 and it just... I don't know, just something is lacking in it. It's great as a rifleman load out, since it's light, and gets the job done when needed, but when going out as a DM, it doesn't perform well enough inside the 100 ft engagement zone for DM's (when you just get stuck in that situation that every DM/Sniper hates... blown cover). I'm looking into SMGs (use a weapon catch as a holster as it works pretty well), or Burst fire pistols (M93r example), but am still open to Semi-pistols, since it won't waste as much ammo. What do you guys think would be my best option? I'll be running the HK417 with a CIRAS vest, NO leg subload, Back load, and limited space on the front. FPS must be reduceable to under 350fps.
I just don't want another USP.

SMG models I'm open to:
-KMP9
-MP7
-anything not a MAC11a1 or UZI

Burst Pistols:
-any ideas welcome

Pistol models:
-M9
-1911
-Glock
-P226
-Walthers
-NO Revolvers
-and would like to avoid WE

Please just list your suggestion with
a)Model
b)Brand
c)Price
d)Pros
e)cons
f)personal experience, known issues, etc.

Thanks everybody! :tup:

 

[LOLER_COASTER]

Definetily an MP7. TM if you afford it.

 

[THEnextBESTthing]

They really that good?
Any issues?
Ease to clean?
That much better than the KMP9?

 

[LOLER_COASTER]

I don't know about ease of cleaning, but the TM is much more accurate and more faithful to the real steel.

 

[THEnextBESTthing]

Do you have personal experience with it? And are you talking the TM GBB or TM AEP?

 

[LOLER_COASTER]

No I do not. I'm sure both versions are superb.

 

[king..kranium]

I say m9 all day long. The only regret I have about my KJW m9 is that it's not a lot of customization available. As for performance mind you, my m9 is amazingly accurate( see one shot one kill) out to 70 ft or so... So if your like me and enjoy the hunt, or if someone pops up in your MED you can easily own them. Plus I use a l96 so the rate of fire makes me feel more secure.

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[LOLER_COASTER]

MP7 blows the M9 out of the water. If you're planning to stay in one spot, set it next to you or have it on a sling to reduce the draw time. Its mag dwarfs the M9's as well, and ROF is phenomanal. It also has rails for optics / lasers if you choose.

 

[THEnextBESTthing]

Anyone really know anything else about other guns on the list, I like KWA MP7, but I want to see all options, but can't afford to try each one out.

 

[13camtheman]

Well if you are going to get a automatic pistol then I would go with the kwa mp7. If you are going for semi auto them I am a big fan of 1911's. KWA is always a good brand to go with and TM also.

 

[UGOTBEARDIED]

You could get a stubby killer m4.

 

[king..kranium]

Bashing the m9 huh? Well firstly there is a reason the 1911 was finally replaced. It's called Beretta. Secondly I just stated the m9's reliability, and accuracy. As a sidearm is serves its purpose, and exceeds them. The mp7 is of course badass. But he asked about the m9, and I love mine so....

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[LOLER_COASTER]

I understand. I suggested the MP7 because unlike the M9, you have volume of fire / customization.

 

[king..kranium]

Yeah the mp7 is a sweet gun lol. I've caught myself contemplating the price tag several times lol. The only problem I can see with the mp7 besides the price is holster ability...

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[exomatt]

The Germans make a good soft holster, not to mention the ones that are made for airsoft.
Here you go: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=8255
Also, there may be some real ones on German surplus store websites.

 

[THEnextBESTthing]

Jeez thanks guys
I'm not sure whether to go MP or Standard pistol style. I really like the machine pistol, but it is quite a bit heavier, and bulkier, while the Standard may yes be sized nicely, its volume of fire and ammo capacity as well as accuracy seem to sufffer.. You guys are really helping me though so BIG thanks to you guys :cheers:

 

[MiqaFox]

Why doesn't the USP do the job?

Does it lack precision, range, firepower, others?
Maybe upgrading the USP is a better way to go?

If firepower, look into an smg or equal, MP7 is probably a great way to go. Maybe a G18, for compromise?

I believe most pistols are equal or at least can be upgraded to such a state. If you just want a new pistol I would let looks decide.

I personally like glocks, so that's what I run.

If you would like to get something upgrade-able, I would go for a High-Capa since there are limitless numbers of parts available to them.

 

[Rubiksklube]

Bashing the m9 huh? Well firstly there is a reason the 1911 was finally replaced. It's called Beretta.

WHICH is still highly controversial. Much of the reason was for cost... Don't get me wrong, I think that the M9 is a beautiful gun, but cutting out half of the slide... It's funny they were shocked by slide failures :lmao:
While I think it's cool, I just think the M1911 is a more classic, and reliable option... However, I think we're going too deeply into real steel-like conversation. Both will be fine choices.
Oh yeah, the M1911 is on the list of pistols to replace the M9... Kind of ironic, eh?:shrug:

 

[chrisgunny]

I have the KWA MP7, and I love it. It's an extremely solid and realistic gun. Take-down is simple, and the CQB bolt makes it easy to reduce the velocity. It's a very accurate gun and the ROF is great, the extended clips help sustain it. It even works well as a primary for CQB.

 

[THEnextBESTthing]

Thanks guys,
@chrisgunny, Probably gonna get the MP7, I love the looks and it seems like it'll do the job perfectly!

@Migafox, You're right there, I think I'll get the MP7, but also buy a threaded outer for my USP and some other simple unprades.

Thanks everyone for your tips, suggestions, and feedback!

Decision has been made
-KWA MP7 with CQB bolt, mock suppressor (custom), 3 position stock bars, extended mags x3, holster
-threaded outer for USP, mock suppressor, longer inner (possibly), sight work, hop work

THANKS EVERYONE