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The MK23 looks super quiet, do you fid it's really that quiet in use? Is it green gas only? What kind of FPS and distance do you get? I like Non-BB because they tend to go longer before you need a refill.
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One big thing to always be carful with when it comes to anything airsoft. Beware the hype!!! I find that most companies will hype up everything and say its the next greatest thing. Novritsch has done this like all others. What was the real deciding factor for me was the price and availability of the SSX23 mags. 33$ and available vs the TM MK23 which I couldn't find and didn't seem cheap.
when it really comes down to it its a matter of, do you like it, does it feel good in your hands, is it fun for you. Not in a specific order !!
If I can put one plug out there for Novritsch I will say ordering through their website. I had a completely different experience buying from them than I have had any where else. Their costumer support (possibly automated) and packaging was like none of the other shops I have ever ordered from online.
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It is the quietest pistol out there, but it isn't as quiet as a finely tuned HPA gun. Still perfectly quiet for airsoft, as it doesn't take much for somebody not to notice you shooting at them from close range.
FPS is usually about 1J, but with a longer and tighter barrel and no other modifications you can get like 2.5J. I'm currently sitting at 1.52J on a .32g BB, and can hit a 290mm target pretty well at 50m. It's capable of more accuracy than I am, but due to the trigger pull shots past 40m can be difficult and are not really worth it. Still more than enough with MEDs ranging from 5-30m usually.
You get more shots per fill, usually at least 100. Tbh I've never tested it, I always top up every time I add more BBs.
I actually sold my SSX23 last week after having it 2-3 years and using it a ton, and now have the Matrix Falcon which I have done a very in depth review on. For $10 less with the ability to accept discounts and having a nicer hop chamber and slide I'd say it's a great deal better than the SSX. After a $20 discount, I got 3300 .28g ASG BBs and the gun for $134 with free shipping, which is a lot cheaper than the SSX plus 10-20 shipping.
Mags are $28 and really powerful compared to SSX mags, but I'm still waiting on them to be in stock so I can get a couple more.
FPS is usually about 1J, but with a longer and tighter barrel and no other modifications you can get like 2.5J. I'm currently sitting at 1.52J on a .32g BB, and can hit a 290mm target pretty well at 50m. It's capable of more accuracy than I am, but due to the trigger pull shots past 40m can be difficult and are not really worth it. Still more than enough with MEDs ranging from 5-30m usually.
You get more shots per fill, usually at least 100. Tbh I've never tested it, I always top up every time I add more BBs.
I actually sold my SSX23 last week after having it 2-3 years and using it a ton, and now have the Matrix Falcon which I have done a very in depth review on. For $10 less with the ability to accept discounts and having a nicer hop chamber and slide I'd say it's a great deal better than the SSX. After a $20 discount, I got 3300 .28g ASG BBs and the gun for $134 with free shipping, which is a lot cheaper than the SSX plus 10-20 shipping.
Mags are $28 and really powerful compared to SSX mags, but I'm still waiting on them to be in stock so I can get a couple more.
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Not sure what people consider low fps but mine is 350fps+ (equivalent) with .3s. It had to sit out the summer as I ran my MP5k in lieu of HFC134 gas.
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Vis a vis Nov - the only pistol model that I feel is synonymous with sniping is the ubiquitous Mk23 (SSX23) which, for the US at least, it seems is supplanted by the Matrix Falcon. The SSP2 is just a pistol, not specifically intended for a given role IMO, even as good as it is.
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AAP is a sore dick deal as far as performance goes: you just can't beat it.
It's cheap and phenomenal out of the box and you can mod it into literally anything you want and even turn it into a carbine essentially on the fly if you are playing a mode where you want to be more aggressive. I think ultimately it depends on what you're looking for out of a sidearm. My field just changed it's rules around to allow full auto on pistol caliber guns under 1.0J with a 15ft MED. That alone increases the value of the AAP 01 to me.
I also don't find a loud sidearm to be a detriment in many cases. IMHO my sidearm is just as much about making someone think twice about pushing my position as much if not more than it is about getting elims outright. In my head if someone gets that far inside my MED then I probably shouldn't be where I am in the first place and it's time to book it elsewhere, throw a loud-ass burst towards their cover and skedaddle out of dodge.
However sometimes I find myself in a position where I have a very advantageous position, but many of the shots are within my MED. At that point having a silent gun like the SSX23 would be invaluable.
Ultimately you're flush with options for a sidearm that can be effective within your MED. The question is really what you're looking for out of a sidearm? I think my intention may be a little different than a lot of the guys here, especially leaning towards my louder sidearms, but I wouldn't discount the strategy.
It's cheap and phenomenal out of the box and you can mod it into literally anything you want and even turn it into a carbine essentially on the fly if you are playing a mode where you want to be more aggressive. I think ultimately it depends on what you're looking for out of a sidearm. My field just changed it's rules around to allow full auto on pistol caliber guns under 1.0J with a 15ft MED. That alone increases the value of the AAP 01 to me.
I also don't find a loud sidearm to be a detriment in many cases. IMHO my sidearm is just as much about making someone think twice about pushing my position as much if not more than it is about getting elims outright. In my head if someone gets that far inside my MED then I probably shouldn't be where I am in the first place and it's time to book it elsewhere, throw a loud-ass burst towards their cover and skedaddle out of dodge.
However sometimes I find myself in a position where I have a very advantageous position, but many of the shots are within my MED. At that point having a silent gun like the SSX23 would be invaluable.
Ultimately you're flush with options for a sidearm that can be effective within your MED. The question is really what you're looking for out of a sidearm? I think my intention may be a little different than a lot of the guys here, especially leaning towards my louder sidearms, but I wouldn't discount the strategy.
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Which do you prefer the TM Mk23 or the SSX23? I see the SSX23, like all Novritsch gear comes pre-upgraded, no silencer (err "Barrel Extension" per US rules), which is fine, I have plenty of my own and always looking to tweak those.
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I'm actually looking for 2 different things because I play 2 different styles - Marksman running my CYMA SVD AEG, and Sniper running anything from an Ares Striker to a super custom VSR 10. As marksman, I'm like you - loud not as big a deal, I'm already closer and more visible than a sniper, and the DMR is LOUD (Ker-Chunk! Ker-Chunk!), so looking for a hard hitting, high capacity, semi\full auto with good accuracy. As a Sniper, more like Doctor Jest and SiliconeSword, stay hidden, quiet, almost silent, long reach, very accurate semi-auto pistol.
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This was the exact question I had when I was looking at the two. the TM is cheaper, comes with the suppressor and a light. the SSX23 is pricier, has the TDC hopup already, but you also have to buy the suppressor separately.
I ended up with the SSX23 because of mag availability.
In all honesty I think a AAP would be a perfect for you. If you are able to time your shots right with ambient noise and a good hide/camo some noise wont matter much.
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That's great advice Kola (friend)! I was thinking along the same lines. In time I could even see getting both given my two styles, there's no one perfect tool for every role.
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I think you're in two completely different camps here honestly and I doubt you'll find a gun that will perform perfectly in both scenarios. If I were in your shoes I would go the AAP 01 route since it's cheap, reliable, easy to mod into literally anything you want it to be, and perfectly fits one of your two needs. If at some point in time you find that you're getting eliminated/getting in unfavorable engagements due to the sacrifice in stealth capabilities then I would consider purchasing the SSX23. But I wouldn't go the other way around.
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Always used the Mk23, mines a copy of the TM anyway
There's not much difference either way in the final (upgraded) analysis.
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This is essentially my position for most decisions - I want a) Stealth and b) Firepower so inevitably c) ends up being a compromise or I carry a) AND b). Very much a situation in which personal preference and indeed, the way that games unfold on your field will dictate the most suitable route. Just my humble 2p, you can't go wrong with an AAP in terms of effectiveness vs. cost and upgrade potential.
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Yeah, I'm definitely in two camps, DMR Role vs Sniper Role, I play both, and no, I agree, there's not one pistol that will meet both roles. I see what you mean about the AAP 01, it could possibly perform 1 1/2 roles, but it would be better to choose different tools for the different roles. One pistol for DMR Role, one for Sniper Role, they are different enough to justify different tools, at least to optimize my potential effectiveness in both roles.
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Yes, I agree, ultimately the difference between DMR Role and Sniper Role is level of stealth and concealment. When playing DMR roles with my CYMA SVD there is only stealth until I fire the gun, then stealth is gone, the DMR rifle is very load, even for an AEG. Also, as a DMR I move more, shoot more, stay closer to the team, in general never really fide a hide, use Guille, or spend a lot of time in prone, and I also have less range but higher rate of fire. One the flip, in the Sniper Role, the sniper rifle is very quiet, I'm not very close to the team, I use a hide, I move less, always use Guille, spend a lot of time in prone, and have more reach but lower rate of fire.
I enjoy the challenge of playing two related but very different roles, but no, there's no one size fits both roles pistols out there.
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I recently ordered the SSP5, despite having a tuned AAP-01, and I'm absolutely loving it. It's in the same category as AAP-01, though: it's loud and can't be made quiet.
So far SSP5 is my favorite pistol. It shoots laser and I haven't done anything to it. It's by far the best pistol out of the box I've seen. I wasn't buying the initial hype, but getting to test it hands-on first made me a believer, and I promptly ordered it afterwards. I've been shooting with SSP5 for some time now. The upper is simply brilliant. Everything else is alright or good. The gun feels super snappy and solid. Only downside is the price -- but I genuinely don't think you can get a hi-capa with equal specs at that price with aftermarket parts. Additional downside is that you're semi-locked to Novritsch with it, but I'm willing to pay that cost as well.
Can't go wrong with either one, but AAP-01 will need more tuning to reach similar performance. But the price point of AAP-01 means that even with tuning included, it's still incredibly cheap for the performance it will have. It's so good that it almost flips the question around: why would I get anything but the AAP-01?
It's such a shame that the Matrix Falcon doesn't seem to be anywhere in the EU market. I'm really curious about that one.
So far SSP5 is my favorite pistol. It shoots laser and I haven't done anything to it. It's by far the best pistol out of the box I've seen. I wasn't buying the initial hype, but getting to test it hands-on first made me a believer, and I promptly ordered it afterwards. I've been shooting with SSP5 for some time now. The upper is simply brilliant. Everything else is alright or good. The gun feels super snappy and solid. Only downside is the price -- but I genuinely don't think you can get a hi-capa with equal specs at that price with aftermarket parts. Additional downside is that you're semi-locked to Novritsch with it, but I'm willing to pay that cost as well.
Can't go wrong with either one, but AAP-01 will need more tuning to reach similar performance. But the price point of AAP-01 means that even with tuning included, it's still incredibly cheap for the performance it will have. It's so good that it almost flips the question around: why would I get anything but the AAP-01?
It's such a shame that the Matrix Falcon doesn't seem to be anywhere in the EU market. I'm really curious about that one.
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I just looked at the SSP5 - first impressions - WOW!!! I will have to research that one for sure, it really does seem like an evolution of the category to a new level. Thanks!
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Yeah, just remember to check independent reviews or impressions on it. Novritsch has deep pockets for marketing, and for this gun specifically they flew out dozens of influencers to help out in the marketing. It's hard to tell what's artificial hype and what's genuine. SSP5 is one of the few products they have that seems to fulfill the promises that their marketing makes, at least for now. We'll see about the durability in the future.
"Negative Airsoft" had one of the better teardown reviews of the gun that I've seen. Same with 4UAD with their extremely in-depth, controlled test review. Both are on Youtube.
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Yep, your right, most of these guns are great new, but will that last after a year of use?
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