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Snow Wolf M82 DMR/Sniper project

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So I am possibly going to get the snow wolf m82 and i have picked out a bunch of parts and would like to have yall confirm that the parts will work right or give me advice on better parts.

My goal is to get 550 fps with .2
1. Motor http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=29144
Is the pinion gear moon shape or round?
2. Gearbox http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=31564
Do i need front or back wiring?
Will this spring produce to more than 550?
3. Battery http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=33036
4. Charger http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=39663
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Get your battery and charger for hobbypartz.
http://www.hobbypartz.com/thac6smbachw.html
http://www.hobbypartz.com/batteries.html
^You need to figure out how big the compartment is and where the battery is housed yourself.
They give the size of batteries on the website so you can make a educated decision on which battery to get.

The gearbox will get you to 550fps as stated in the reviews.

I personally don't prefer AIM as a brand, or any "pre upgraded" gearboxes for that matter, but if you don't have the experience that is the cheapest method.
Looks good so far but if I was going to do this build I would definately throw a tightbore barrel in it.
The battery compartment is huge so I can fit pretty much any size. I will check that website out. And I was just worried that it would be over since it says up to 600.

And I'm spending quite a bit of money already, but a tightbore barrel will be coming very soon.
For starters I have to tell you, 550 fps is not something you can easily just "Lego build" together. It sounds to me like you just want to have the max FPS you are allowed to have, and that isn't always easy or the best.

For starters, the version 2 gearbox shell has a major flaw in its design. The corner of the cylinder is near the step in the bottom of the shell. It commonly cracks there and basically blows the front of the gear box shell off. If you have never heard of that just search "cracked V2" on Google and you will find plenty of examples. There are ways to help prevent it, but they require opening the shell. Can you work on a gearbox? Have you tried assembling one with an M170?

Notice how Evike says "Super reinforced enhanced" gearbox? That is a marketing ploy to get you to buy it. Also notice how they call it a "Systema/G&P/Classic Army enhanced "Thick type" shell"? They are trying to get you to associate that box with those big name brands. If you haven't noticed almost every airsoft item is "reinfoced". It's a buzz word that makes people think they are stronger. You can buy reinforced everything from gear box shells to pistol grips, to flash hiders. There is a difference between regular V2 shells and reinforced shells, but I think only TM ever made non reinforced ones. There are actual reinforced items, but that shell looks like every other reinforced one that I have seen. If you want a strong V2 track down an MTHaynes. Lastly, I would never use bearings in a 550fps build. I don't care if they are 8mm or 9mm. At those forces always use hard bushings.

Also, "Lipo ready" is just straight BS. Do you know how many Amps your motor will be drawing to pull back that 550fps spring? It says "steel gears" but I don't see what ratio. If you run that box with a lipo you will burn up your contacts fast (I also question if a 9.6 would even cycle it). You need a MOSFET to protect them, and you need a MOSFET rated to handle the Amps you will be pulling. Also, don't buy airsoft lipos. Do your research and buy a hobby grade lipo. They are generally cheaper or equal in price but perform WAY better.

That charger, is crap. I'm not sure if you are aware of it but lipo batteries are sort of dangerous. They can potentially burst into flames if there are problems. If you aren't buying a charger capable of testing the battery, you honestly won't know if it is safe to charge. I use the Hyperion Eos6060i ($110) and highly recommend it. It will check the lipo and make sure it is safe to charge and prevent overcharging, and it has REAL balance charging. Those cheap chargers check that the total output of the battery is equal to 11.1 volts. That's not good enough. If one cell drops to 1.8v and the others are at 4.2 volts, that lipo is gonna blow. The Hyperion actually balances each cell to proper voltage. I used a cheap ACM "lipo balance charger" to charge a lipo, then plugged it into my Hyperion, and the Hyperion refused to charge it because the cells were all out of whack.

I have to be honest with you. It sounds like you want a Barret .50 cal that shoots the hottest it can to impress other people. That's fine and all, but you are dealing with some pretty big stuff that it sounds like you don't understand. I'm pointing this out to you because I don't want you to burn your house down with a junk lipo setup or blow $150 on a gear box that (to me) seems like a waste of time.

If you want a reliable Snow Wolf M82 at 550, go polar star. That's what I'm doing.
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I know how a lot of people say high fps doesn't make your gun shoot further but it does. Seeing as it will be a sniper rifle I need it to shoot far and hard so when they get hit they will feel it. So that is why I picked the highest fps for my field.

And I was planning in getting a MOSFET I just forgot to include it.

And polar star is kinda out of the question because it is really expensive.

I will look at some other battery and charger though.

edit: will this battery work? and what charger will charge this?
http://www.hobbytown.com/Shop/11-1V-4000mAh-3S-20C-LiPo-Hardcase-with-Deans/
and how bout this mosfet?
http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?cPath=31_167&products_id=35123
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What's your budget? Honestly, if the P* Fusion isn't too high of a price, I'd pick one up and save all the hassle of tuning an electric mechbox. Plus, you'll be able to have way better consistency, durability, and power.
I know how a lot of people say high fps doesn't make your gun shoot further but it does.
If this is your attitude when people give you very good proven advice, then you need to do more reading around here. There are a lot of factors that go into range besides FPS; and a lot of factors that go into the 'felt' impact of a BB besides PFS as well. If you are worried about people not calling their shots, you need to find a better field/real friends/play with people that have personal integrity.

A well tuned BASR with an R-Hop shooting 330FPS will accurately out reach most 550+ FPS guns that I have seen. My ASR shot 640 FPS, big freaking whoop. It was inacurate at range and made kids cry (not an official field). I tuned it down and now its doing body shots at range.

Bottom line, you don't need FPS as much as you think you do. Read more, learn more, and tune your system.
@wesley
anything below the price of the polar star fusion engine lol. and i also dont have clue where i would get the tanks filled up at. The place i play at is airsoft only so they don't have compressed air tanks. and i dont have one strong enough to fill an air tank up.
@bob
first off i did not disregard his advice. I went a looked around for batteries and chargers, because of him.
And i just get very annoyed when people say fps doesnt matter. If you fine tune that 640 fps system and use heavy bb's then it will out range the 330 fps system by a long shot. I never once said fps is the only thing that matters. I said higher fps will increase your range. Which it will if properly tuned.

And im not aiming for something outrageous, 550 is the set fps for a reason, because it is safe while still giving the sniper rifles a little more of an advantage. If fps didnt matter on distance and impact then they wouldnt allow sniper rifles to shoot higher.
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@wesley
anything below the price of the polar star fusion engine lol. and i also dont have clue where i would get the tanks filled up at. The place i play at is airsoft only so they don't have compressed air tanks. and i dont have one strong enough to fill an air tank up.
@bob
first off i did not disregard his advice. I went a looked around for batteries and chargers, because of him.
And i just get very annoyed when people say fps doesnt matter. If you fine tune that 640 fps system and use heavy bb's then it will out range the 330 fps system by a long shot. I never once said fps is the only thing that matters. I said higher fps will increase your range. Which it will if properly tuned.

And im not aiming for something outrageous, 550 is the set fps for a reason, because it is safe while still giving the sniper rifles a little more of an advantage. If fps didnt matter on distance and impact then they wouldnt allow sniper rifles to shoot higher.
Point being, to get an AEG to 550, without eventually tearing itself apart, and to tune it to perform well at 550, you may as well get a P*, unless you have experience with high end custom fab and access to a machine shop. (there are some crazy mods you can do to improve standard AEG boxes).

There are simple ways to build your own charging station for HPA tanks from stuff you can find in a junk yard or for cheap. Look at www.spudfiles.com

The reason that fields have a 550 FPS limit for DMRs/BASRs, is because most people that think they are snipers, think they need something stronger to be a sniper. If there is one thing to learn here on ASF it is that being a sniper is an art more than having the right gun. Its about the tactics and making your shots count without giving away your position.

In no way am I saying that you should NOT build a DMR, I'm just saying that if you do it the right way you'll be a lot happier with the results and have a much more efficient gun for your field and your style.

It is hard for people to remember that this is NOT real steel, it is not as simple as matching your load and bullet weight to your barrel twist. The physics are completely different, the rounds are completely different and there is a point of deminishing returns when you crank up the FPS and crank up the weight of the BB. IMHO, ~500 is the top end of effective FPS with a very well tuned system and bio/plastic BBs when aiming for accuracy. Sure, I could run 650+ with metal or ceramic or glass BBS, but at that point I may as well play with sub sonic .22 loaded in my real steel. It'd be quieter than my AEG, and people would have to call their hits; but fields might have a problem with that :p
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Come on guys... Don't argue on everything!

Of course FPS isn't everything and P* isn't the best solution out there....
I happen to have a P* Barrett, currently it's not working!! I've passed through it ~ 20bbs when I first install the engine and now that I want to play I can't make fire!
I was looking on the forums about solutions and you won't believe how many P* are broken! On my case ... We can't figure what's wrong and we came to conclusion it need to re-lube the poppet valve.

Yes V2 GB's have flaws and a MTHaynes GB will cost over $200 and that IF you ever find one but now I'd definitely would go the AEG way instead of a "broken" P* FE that no-one knows how to fix it! I asked P* to sent it back to them and have a look and they refused! I did mention to pay for fixing it...!
Not the best after sales service if you ask me!


Wolf
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Dang wolf sorry to hear about your p* experiences, that really sucks, mainly because that is A LOT of money you have put out for that thing. I will be sticking with the AEG for sure. Thanks for letting me know. So are you going to figure out the P* problem or convert to AEG?
And yes bobgengeskan i agree that there is a limit to how high your fps can be when shooting a plastic bb for it to shoot accurately, but i don't believe 550 is that limit. I have been learning about how being a sniper is more than having the right gun....but having the right gun helps!! :)
I will certainly will repair it ... I'll try first what P* told me and if all that fail I'll talk to Amped to see I I can ship it back to them.

Anyway I'm not discouraged by that as yesterday I received a second FE ;)


Wolf
The PS engines do look nice but I had my reservations on buying it for three main reasons.

1. You can do you own fills by lugging around your own scuba tank. Paintball fields have air fills, but airsoft fields don't.

2. If by battery dies on my AEG, I always have a spare one on my chest rig.

3. I like to pick up my airsoft guns and not have to attach a coil hose and tank to it.
On a side note, there are plenty of ways to get an AEG to 550 fps. And yes, you might break the box. but not necessarily.

I am working with my buddy on his SW M82. there is enough room to make all kind of weird contraptions. Battery room is large enough for freakishly huge batteries.

there are a few speedbumps, like the stupidly long barrel. You'd either need a 509mm with an extension inner barrel, or the deepfire 800mm (though i dont know if that will even FILL the outer barrel)

Also 500 fps is possible on v2 boxes, and reinforcements are also possible to do (DIY).
I hope you are putting in a V2.5 and not a V2 gear box. The longer cylinder will give you the extra volume of air with a lower spring rating.
Well good luck with it wolf.
I agree with you on every sinlge reason silentball on the p* engine. It seem a really nice but kinda a pain. And v2.5?
@killer
I was thinking about making the outer barrel shorter, so I don't have to worry about getting a really long barrel. Could you keep me updated on how it goes.
Its currently a bit on hold...these months, money and time go by like crazy...

The only thing you really need to know, is how to upgrade a V2 gearbox. The holy grail topic is a good place to start.
oh ok. yeah i kinda read over it, but will look at it better once i get the gun. I plan on getting the matrix 8mm m160 gear box seeing as it has pretty much everything i need. Most of the parts are steel or CNC so it should perform well and last a while. The only thing wrong with it is that it has bearing instead of bushings.
If it isnt a good gearbox please inform me why it isnt.
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