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Here is STAR's gas bolt action rifle, the Accuracy International L115 AWSM. This is one fine piece of machinery.






Name: AW-338 Sniper Rifle
Net Weight: 6.4kg
Material: Nylon Fiber + Aluminum Alloy

Fire Mode: Semi / Safe
Magazine: 23 Rounds
Length: 1020, [ 1200 / 1220mm Stock Extended ]
Muzzle Velocity: 350 ~ 380fps (134A & 0.2g BB)
Hop up: Match Grade Adjustable
Included: Scope Mount. M3 Scope 3.5-10 x 40mm.
- Quick Release Full Metal Bipod.
- Adjustable Bipod 25 ~ 17cm in 6 Step.
- Aluminum Outer Barrel & Flash Hider.
- Recommend Using 134A Gas.

Going to be around $700-$750
 

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dude the folding stock is sick... IN FACT the whole gun is a work of art! man too bad i don't have a couple hundred dollars that i am not already gonna use.

any way i had some questions does it come with fluted barrel flash hider bipod scope and quick adjustable cheek screws

and did you say semi so you don't have to cock it every time? then whats the point of a bolt
 

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dude the folding stock is sick... IN FACT the whole gun is a work of art! man too bad i don't have a couple hundred dollars that i am not already gonna use.

any way i had some questions does it come with fluted barrel flash hider bipod scope and quick adjustable cheek screws

and did you say semi so you don't have to cock it every time? then whats the point of a bolt
it comes with EVERYTHING you see, and the wording "safe/semi" is poorly translated from Japanese or where ever STAR is located. it is supposed to read as "Safe/Fire". it is still just a bolt action gun.
 

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Personally I'd prefer a non-folding stock, because that's just another thing that potentially COULD break. Also, the little mono-pod on the stock is honestly retarded, you don't need that still of precision and unless your Michael J. Fox you should be alright without that as well.
 

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I would think that the mono-pod is mostly for target shooting, although I can see the usefulness if you are sitting in one spot for a long amount of time. Basically this just means you would only need the mono-pod on the real steel rifle.
 

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The first benefit I think about when seeing this rifle is the realism. This is the first Accuracy International .338 Lapua Magnum replica that's just about spot on...minus the $6000 price tag.

This is my dream rifle, but I can't afford the gun, or even to shoot it ($75 for 20 match grade rounds). The Well Warrior is what got me into airsoft in the first place because I just wanted a replica I could play with.

I doubt this is built to the same quality as the real ones. Check out this YouTube video,

For those of you unfamiliar with real world expectations of reliability, the ability to break down the rifle, detach the scope, and bounce it off the ground while keeping every shot inside a minute of angle is worth every penny.

If you can afford one, here's where you get them.
http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/AccuracyInternational.html
 

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I was in a long struggle to buy a lot of parts for my car, or buy the real steel .243 from http://www.impactguns.com/store/AI-AW243.html and get only some car parts, unfortunately I decided against getting it.

I really want this replica though.
amen to that. luckily l'm going to acquire some cash soon and if i don't spend it all upgrading my other l96 then this fine piece of machinery might be mine!
 

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booo real AI guns....

get an H-S Precision. MUCH better, plus a 3 shot 1/2 MOA @100yds gurantee
H-S Precision doesn't MAKE guns, they build them. Also, MOA isn't relative to the yardage. If it's really a half-minute gun, it'll shoot that 600 yards too. Not to mention real groupings are shot in 5's. Three is just a military "good enough" mindset for conserving ammunition.

If you just want to take it to competitions and shoot for score, H-S will do you more than fine. It'll probably shoot better than most people are actually able.

However, if you want to take a precision rifle to battle, Accuracy International is the way to go.

Not to mention the .338 Lapua Magnum versus the .308 Winchester is no contest. The .338 has the distance of the .50 (M82) with the accuracy of the .308 (M40), AND when the round strikes a person at 1500 yards, it is still carrying enough power to punch through standard body armor.
 

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If you mean the rifles...

The M40A3 (currently fielded by USMC Scout/Snipers) fires a .308 Winchester, aka 7.62x54mm, and, when outfitted with the now defunct Unertl 10x, weighed in at 19.5 lbs. It is a rifle capable of holding a minute of angle (MOA) which means it's group size (per 5 rounds) is one inch per 100 yards of distance. That means every round in a 3 inch circle at 300 yards, 7 inches at 700 yards, and 10 inches at 1000 yards.

However, around 800 yards the .308 drops below the speed of sound (appx 1100-1200 fps) and the passing of the round through the sound barrier shockwave can sometimes have unpredictable results. Depending on specific atmospheric conditions, this may, or may not, be a terribly mute point.

Despite popular belief, the official rifles cannot be purchased because they are not built by a company. USMC match grade armorers (MOS 2112) get all the parts and each rifle is hand built and tuned. However, many companies, such as H-S Precision, offer replicas to civilians.

It should be noted that these rifles are inherently capable of better than 1 MOA accuracy, but the fault lies with less than stellar military match grade ammunition. There is civilian match grade ammunition available that is more accurate, but they differ from company to company and rifle to rifle, which makes it impossible to determine a "best". It's a simple fact that different rifles and ammunition work better together than others. Handloads are a snipers best bet. Many recognize military grade brass as being the single greatest ever, but utilize primers, bullets, and powder from other sources.

The M82A3 is made by Barrett Rifles Mfg. fires a 12.7x99mm round (commonly denoted .50 caliber, but is actually .510). What most people don't understand is that this is not actually a sniper rifle. To be considered a sniper rifle, it must be able to place every single round inside 1 inch at 100 yards (or, as you read above, be MOA accurate). Hence the designation "Special Application Scoped Rifle" or SASR (pronounced "sasser"). Since this beast fires a round that already creates half inch holes, keeping the holes inside an inch is tough.

It is also important to note that group size regulations differ through the community. Many measure from inside edge to edge, whereas the military requires the entire hole be inside an inch. Therefore, by USMC Scout/Sniper standards, the SASR is actually a 2 MOA weapon (give or take, some rifles have seen more abuse than others). In regards to the round fired, the SASR doesn't typically shoot match-grade ammunition in combat. It uses Roufoss rounds. Follow this link if you care...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211

The SASR is capable of hitting man sized targets, first round, out to 1200 meters or so. In many cases, this is used as a anti-material weapon (trucks, tanks, radars, SCUDs, etc.) which can extend it's useful effective range to 2000 meters. The price you pay for hauling this bad-boy around is a 32 lb boomstick. Add a quality optic (S&B or Leupold 20x) for 3 or 4 lbs. Ammunition is about 4 lbs per 10-rounds in a magazine. So a combat ready rifle is about 40 lbs. But you'll need more than 10 rounds...

Which brings us to the glorious Accuracy International Arctic Warrior firing a .338 Lapua Magnum.
The full kit (folding stock, scope, bipods, loaded magazine) weighs about the same as a M40A3. However, the single most important factor due to the success of AI is the durability of the rifles and scope mount together. AI's utilize a rigid all metal frame and the plastic stock is simply bolted on. The scopes are also single point mounted and can be removed and reattached without the loss of zero. A common field problem for both the SASR and M40 is bumping the scope off zero. Watch the YouTube video I posted above to see what I mean.

The accuracy of the AI has much to do with the round it fires. Engineered to maintain accuracy and velocity at greater ranges allows this weapon to fulfill the needs of armor penetration (filled by the SASR) and terminal ballistics on human flesh (filled by the M40) all in one weapon system, and one round. The .338 LM is rated to point targets (body shots) at 1300 meters (which is about 1430 yards). However, at 1500 meters, the bullet is still traveling at appx 3,000 fps which is fast enough to penetrate 5 layers of Level IV personal body armor (also level 8 glass, the highest). That extends the anti-material ability out to about the 2000 yard range. The sound barrier tumble never comes into play creating a possibility of greater ranged shots.

So, in my personal, experienced, and slightly humble opinion...

The greatest rifle is the Accuracy International Arctic Warrior series due to it's durability and reliability.

The greatest all-purpose round for active military engagement purposes is the .338 Lapua Magnum because of it's velocity and accuracy.

Fact check it yourself on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_AWM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40A3
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M82_Barrett_rifle
 

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[quote:rv1e8tcj]booo real AI guns....

get an H-S Precision. MUCH better, plus a 3 shot 1/2 MOA @100yds gurantee
H-S Precision doesn't MAKE guns, they build them. Also, MOA isn't relative to the yardage. If it's really a half-minute gun, it'll shoot that 600 yards too. Not to mention real groupings are shot in 5's. Three is just a military "good enough" mindset for conserving ammunition.

If you just want to take it to competitions and shoot for score, H-S will do you more than fine. It'll probably shoot better than most people are actually able.

However, if you want to take a precision rifle to battle, Accuracy International is the way to go.

Not to mention the .338 Lapua Magnum versus the .308 Winchester is no contest. The .338 has the distance of the .50 (M82) with the accuracy of the .308 (M40), AND when the round strikes a person at 1500 yards, it is still carrying enough power to punch through standard body armor. [/quote:rv1e8tcj]

I know HS Presicision doesnt "make" guns... neither does AI.

all AI is, is a Remington M700 long-action on an "EWS" (exotic weapon system) chaise, a refined bolt, and an air-guaged, match barrel.

if your talking about a gun being "rugged", yeah, AI has everyone beat becuase of their bedding system. but, at the same time, my Ruger 10/22 has the EXACT SAME bedding system!!! so all AI has done there, is beef up that area of the gun so it can hold up to the stress of a .338 Lapua Magnum's recoil (which kicks more than my .50). I dont know why people bash the .50 so much, it has a much longer effective range than everybody talks about. NATO forbids the use of match grade hunting ammo for the .50BMG rifles, so they are restricted to using the same crap that the M2HBs use. and furthermore, the .338 is an "intermediate" round which means that it is exactly inbetween the .50BMG and the .308. it was also designed SPECIFICALLY for anti-personel at long range. the .308 is a multipurpose round. and you are NOT going to take a shot closer than 300 yds with a .338 because the bullet doesnt fully stabelize until ~560 yards as opposed to the .308 which has a much flatter trajectory.

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The greatest all-purpose round for active military engagement purposes is the .338 Lapua Magnum because of it's velocity and accuracy.
also wrong... the .408 CheyTac is the best round to date
 

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I'm sorry. You don't know what you are talking about. It would be nice if you state WHY you think the way you do, and possibly cite some sources, unless you feel stupid citing Marky Mark and "Shooter" as a source...

You are partly correct about AI and their bedding system. Accuracy International DOES make their own rifles, from the ground up. However, they ALSO offer a more cost effective route for those that like the stock and it's features.

The stock you refer to, the Accuracy International Chassis System (AICS), is designed for Remington 700 actions.

Here is a link to it.
http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/AICS.html
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http://www.ketmer.com/ai/aics/index.htm

Here is a review of a REAL Accuracy International Arctic Warrior in .338 LM.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/military-338-lapua-rifles-trg42-awsm/
Please note the line under the first picture. This means that it is, in fact, not assembled, but created.

Just because your Butler Creek or Bell and Carlson stock ATTACHES to the receiver of your 10/22 the same way as a AICS to Rem700, does not make them equal.

Please note this line in the above cited review, "The flat-bottomed AI receiver is permanently bonded to an aluminum chassis that extends from the butt-stock to front of the forend. Stock-side "skins" are then clam-shelled around the chassis to create the stock. Because of this design, the rifle is unaffected by environmental changes; bedding is not required."

Which I why I stated that AI's are the best and most durable. M40's and National Match M14's are glass and pillar bedded. This creates uniformity in the connection between the action, stock, and the bolts which attach them. It also wears and can be easily jacked up if you spill CLP or something into the stock.

Thank you for reiterating that the .338 LM is an intermediate round. I believe I made this point within my comparison.

NATO doesn't forbid match grade rounds in SASR's. Nothing is "forbidden". The only thing you can't use in them are SLAP rounds (Saboted Light Armor Penetrator). In case you don't know what "sabot" means...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39544
Essentially, a small bullet is put in plastic and then shoot down a big barrel. It goes faster and pierces armor. The reason they can't be used is because the plastic is shed from around the real bullet and it blows back at the shooter because of the M82 muzzle brake. You can take off the muzzle brake and then fire them.

The .308 doesn't have a flatter trajectory than the .338. Sorry. Look it up.

I also stated that it was my opinion that it would be the best all around round. Not the ONLY round. There are purposes for everything. I do believe I said that as well.
 

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I'm sorry. You don't know what you are talking about. It would be nice if you state WHY you think the way you do, and possibly cite some sources, unless you feel stupid citing Marky Mark and "Shooter" as a source...

You are partly correct about AI and their bedding system. Accuracy International DOES make their own rifles, from the ground up. However, they ALSO offer a more cost effective route for those that like the stock and it's features.

The stock you refer to, the Accuracy International Chassis System (AICS), is designed for Remington 700 actions.

Here is a link to it.
http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/AICS.html
and
http://www.ketmer.com/ai/aics/index.htm

Here is a review of a REAL Accuracy International Arctic Warrior in .338 LM.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/military-338-lapua-rifles-trg42-awsm/
Please note the line under the first picture. This means that it is, in fact, not assembled, but created.

Just because your Butler Creek or Bell and Carlson stock ATTACHES to the receiver of your 10/22 the same way as a AICS to Rem700, does not make them equal.

Please note this line in the above cited review, "The flat-bottomed AI receiver is permanently bonded to an aluminum chassis that extends from the butt-stock to front of the forend. Stock-side "skins" are then clam-shelled around the chassis to create the stock. Because of this design, the rifle is unaffected by environmental changes; bedding is not required."

Which I why I stated that AI's are the best and most durable. M40's and National Match M14's are glass and pillar bedded. This creates uniformity in the connection between the action, stock, and the bolts which attach them. It also wears and can be easily jacked up if you spill CLP or something into the stock.

Thank you for reiterating that the .338 LM is an intermediate round. I believe I made this point within my comparison.

NATO doesn't forbid match grade rounds in SASR's. Nothing is "forbidden". The only thing you can't use in them are SLAP rounds (Saboted Light Armor Penetrator). In case you don't know what "sabot" means...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39544
Essentially, a small bullet is put in plastic and then shoot down a big barrel. It goes faster and pierces armor. The reason they can't be used is because the plastic is shed from around the real bullet and it blows back at the shooter because of the M82 muzzle brake. You can take off the muzzle brake and then fire them.

The .308 doesn't have a flatter trajectory than the .338. Sorry. Look it up.

I also stated that it was my opinion that it would be the best all around round. Not the ONLY round. There are purposes for everything. I do believe I said that as well.
dont know what im talking about??? I work at a Class 3 shooting range!!! we get AIs in all the time! i know from PERSONAL EXPERIANCE that AI is overrated. we also had a CheyTac Intervention in our shop 6 years before the launch of the movie Shooter and the show Future Weapons.

the 10/22 i built OUT PREFORMED an Accuracy International and an Accuracy Speaks "Palmer" rifle at the 2007 Regional Scout/Sniper event other than the targets beyond 200yds. I personally didint do all that great at the end of the event, but i still beat 4 USMC Snipers which is good enough with me! there is always next year.

and being a .50 owner, i have looked up every single law reguarding that round and it is in fact forbidden by NATO to shoot someone with a .50BMG sniper rifle. and i said match grade HUNTING ammo. it is also forbidden to use anything but a steel core round, in any rifle caliber. and saying "you can take off the muzzle break and shoot them" is wrong. the muzzle break on a Barrett reduces the recoil by 70%. if you were to take it off, you would litterally blow your arm out of place.

and ive already looked up the balistic capabilities of a .308.

EDIT: can we both stop acting like girls and quit bickering about this? its obvious we are disagreeing about this subject and arguing back and forth isnt helping. plus we are totally hijacking this tread. i can go all day about this, im not saying i dont like AI, they are good guns, but i am saying that they are not "the best" there are better, more reliable rifles out there. AI is definately up there on the charts. but anyway, can we act like mature adults and call a truce on this subject?

Another EDIT: here is a pic of my 10/22 so nobody else thinks full of shit

 

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Thats a nice .22 Pearl.

200 yards is quite a shot with a .22Lr, I was nailing a pop can at 225 and 8 mils of lob over the summer with a bone stock Ruger.

On topic now, I'm contemplating buying the gun. Ive seen some of the upgrades you can get and it seems pretty wild, I'd take it out to Toledo and play with them where they allow 700fps ;).
 
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