[Skara]

Evening guys, girls and the often forgotten, but not by me, Romanian AK47s.
I'm getting bored of the Striker, managed to get it to shoot pretty consistently on .3g+ at 1 Joule, but the more time I spend tweaking it, the more I realize it's just a bad platform (as with all Ares guns really).
It's heavy, chunky, there is no way to render the pull smooth, mags are huge, expensive and hard to store. The only redeeming thing is the TDC.. Zero upgrades available too.

So here I am, looking for a good replacement.
The platform will be a VSR, because it's lightweight and there are a gazillion upgrades available for every budget. The SRS is out of my league and overkill for a 1J build.

The "requirements" for this build are the ability to internally suppress the gun (running a 300mm inner inside a 430mm outer) and a somewhat decent trigger/sears, possibly 90° from the factory. It's going to run @0.99J on the heaviest weight I can find (so 0.36g to 0.4)

I have eyed two candidates:
-Cyma VSR (Can't remember the name, cm700?)
-Action Army T-11

The first comes in at roughly €100 shipped and gives me a great margin for upgrades (trigger, piston and hop chamber),
The AA is 210ish posted and comes from the factory with a 90° trigger/piston.

Can't find anything on the T11 though, so I have no idea if it's decent or just a shiny turd 😞

If you guys could share some of your wisdom with me, I'd appreciate it.

(There is also a third option, a mk23 in a carbine kit, but let's keep it out for now as it's going to be a separate project as I'm trying to design my own)

EDIT: I forgot to mention that some parts will be taken from the striker, namely the AA 6.03x300mm steel inner and the hop rubber (ML MR-Hop 50°)

 

[SiliconeSword]

The CM701 is a rock.
I used to have one and the stock and upper assembly were extremely solid compared to my Marui G-spec.
The stock also had this wonderful bumpy texture that I absolutely loved.
God I wish I had not tried to copy that bullpup VSR on Nov tactical......
The T10 on the other hand looks nice but I hear it is pretty heavy due to that stock.
I can't get the T10 easily where I live due to a stupid copyright or something so I have never actually held one.
The T11 looks sorta ugly to me but is probably lightweight and sturdy and a very good option.
Since you are only using 1J you would just need to replace the barrel, bucking, chamber, and nub on the T11.
The CM701 on the other hand would need a whole new cylinder assembly, trigger, and the parts from earlier so it would definitely be more expensive.
I suppose you should just get whichever one looks the coolest as they should all perform the same when upgraded.

 

[BlackDogAirsoft]

Either the Cyma 701 or the Bar 10. The Tm VSR10 is expensive and also, you cannot change the cylinder internals on the stock cylinder without drilling out the pin that holds it in (a massive pain). I would suggest the AA T11. It it light and already has many good parts. All I would do on that one is switch to a maple leaf bucking and an m150 spring.

 

[SiliconeSword]

All I would do on that one is switch to a maple leaf bucking and an m150 spring.

May as well do the barrel and chamber while you are at it.....
This guy is also in Italy so he may just need a tighter barrel and spring spacers to get his power.

 

[BlackDogAirsoft]

The barrel is an action army tightbore already, I think. The chamber is not the red one but of high quality nevertheless.
Edit: Forgot the Classic Army M24 LTR. 90 degree trigger from the factory which is very solid.
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[Skara]

Okay, let's do some math:

If I go for the Cyka VSR:
base gun: €110 to 130 depending on where I can find it in stock
90° trigger and piston: €100 at least for the trigger, 40 to 60 for the piston (budget S-Trigger and airbraked SCW piston)
New cylinder: between €60 (AA) up to 120, 130 for the PDI/Laylax ones
AA Hop chamber: €60 if I can find it in stock somewhere.
Add a tenner for a spring (M90 or 100 depending on how air tight the whole system is)
Rough total is: €400

If I go with the T-11:
base gun: €210/220 posted from France
SCW airbraked piston: €60 (40 for the piston and I guess 20 postage)
Rough total is: €280

In both cases I'll have to buy/make some barrel spacers to align the 300mm inner with the muzzle hole and stuff the whole outer with sound dampening materials (foam, scotch-brite, whatever I need)

From what I have seen online, the stock AA plastic piston can deal with a M150, so I reckon it's going to last a while on 1J, or at least enough time for me to order the new piston (doesn't have to be a SCW, could be a WASP as well).

The stock AA chamber seems to be decent and has a concave tensioner integrated in the arm (integrated tensioners are not my cup of tea but I can make it work)

The T11 seems to be the better deal, but please tell me if I'm missing anything!!

 

[BlackDogAirsoft]

What about the ssg10?
The classic army m24 LTR is also a good option but will be more expensive than the t11 so you can discount that.

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[Skara]

What about the ssg10?

Nah, I don't want to risk spending €300 on a turd that'll be delivered in the next Ice Age.

 

[TenshouYoku]

The T11 comes with a barrel spacer itself (albeit it's just a piece of cheap molded plastic).

But in any case with just a meager 1J you probably can just buy a Marui and call it a day. The push resistance will be managable, and accuracy is great like any typical Marui guns.

BTW…… how is the Striker "zero upgrade"? Ares Amoeba itself aside, Action Army pumps upgrades for it as well. The mags should also be like 13 USD a pop and is better than the VSR in handling.

 

[Skara]

The T11 comes with a barrel spacer itself (albeit it's just a piece of cheap molded plastic).

Saw that.

But in any case with just a meager 1J you probably can just buy a Marui and call it a day. The push resistance will be managable, and accuracy is great like any typical Marui guns.

Yes and no. While it's true that a TM is "unbeatable" at 1J, it still has 45° sears, a cylinder that's a bitch to open and overall it's super flimsy.
I'd rather keep the striker than buying a TM VSR. At least it's more solid.

BTW…… how is the Striker "zero upgrade"? Ares Amoeba itself aside, Action Army pumps upgrades for it as well. The mags should also be like 13 USD a pop and is better than the VSR in handling.

You have an EdGi €500 cylinder in yours, I'm not buying a €500 cylinder for a bad platform.
AA only puts out a handful of parts (hop wheel, chamber and silencer adapter, one cylinder, that's it), most of the "upgrades" are cosmetic gimmicks that serve no purpose other than making the rifle heavier.

Bolt pull is awful, despite having polished and lubed both the external surface of the cylinder and the awful plastic sleeve (which, to my knowledge, has no aftermarket upgrades), it feels like pulling a M150 when in reality there is a cut down M100 inside. Can't imagine what it feels like when pulling an actual M150, do people cock it like a medieval crossbow?
The locking pin is bad, mine's chewed up pretty bad, tested with a same diametre steel bar but it's still bad. Design flaw most likely.

the nozzle chews through hop rubbers (replaced the 2nd rubber in 6 months the other day), the new hop rubber is 5 (yes, FIVE) shots old and is already slightly damaged at the lips.

despite having a thick rubber dampener on the cylinder head, an o-ring glued to the piston head, all the cavities packed with cotton wool and foam and a suppressor filled with scotch-brite,various densities foam rings and other stuff, it's still as loud as it was when I took it out of the box.

I've had the rifle since it first came out and the more I look at it, the more I convince myself I made a terrible mistake.

 

[Sodium]

Kicking mustang just did a neat 1j VSR build you may want to check out.

 

[Skara]

Kicking mustang just did a neat 1j VSR build you may want to check out.

Do you have a link?

The only thing I could find was a bog standard TM G-Spec..

 

[BlackDogAirsoft]

Also check out airsoft sniper mechanic's 1 joule build.
https://www.snipermechanics.com/vsr10-1j-build-simple-but-effective/

 

[TenshouYoku]

The majority of the 45 degree bad issues are massively exacerbated by the fact that people tend to play at like what, 500fps and fling super heavy BBs. If you are playing with 1J and 0.3g that wouldn't be a serious issue.

While that the Striker of mine is using an EDGI cylinder, I also have an another using the regular volume steel cylinder (bought NEMO just for the memes and I really wish I didn't at that time, because the spring compatibility issue is a bitch and Ares made one that is infinitely cheaper later on). Pull was initially heavy but isn't a big issue, and mine has been using the same buckings since it was completed and swapped only for things like testing different buckings - no premature wear or anything even with regular cylinder heads.

You also made it as if a lack of upgrade variances is bad when there is nothing inherently good about having many options when incompatibility issues are a thing across brands, and the fact that you are going to use about the same thing anyway (AA chamber for instance, who uses anything other than AA for VSRs anyways?). Just like nobody complained about the lack of brand options of SRS.

Other than the godawful body pin made of cheese - god just why is it so bad - it hasn't exactly been worse or better than the VSR/T10 I am using. (It is much improved using the one piece steel pin of Edgi - a hex key won't do because the design helps providing the pivot it needed to stay immobile)

 

[Skara]

Could be me being fed up with the issues I'm having with it.

to me it looks like a bad platform.
I have yet to see a spring powered striker that doesn't sound like a bag of nails when being cocked, or that is quiet enough without being HPA powered.
It's also disappointing to pretend there's a M150 in the cylinder when there's actually a cut down M100.

I'd like something different, a smooth, light pull, with a low sound report and that doesn't fatigue me

Hence the thread on a VSR base.

 

[Zero Roaster]

I don't have any experience with the AS02, but I have rebuilt a couple of AS01's and they were terrific! Sure, we made most of the parts it was modified with, but when we got it r hopped and with a ball bearing spring guide, it really took off. My kid still uses his and it's been a few years now...

I agree, the stock components leave a little to be desired, but the ergonomics of the rifle are terrific.

 

[Sodium]

If you're a techy guy, at 1 joule you can really upgrade just the hop arm, bucking and barrel of any VSR and be fine. JG bar-10, weaker spring, gunsmithy tdc plus arm or panthera arm plus nub, flamingo Mr-hop or autobot (I'd rather do an autobot or Flamingo but many have great experience with Mr-hop), action army or crazy get barrel, and you got yourself a very nice 1 joule build.

 

[terryna]

The barrel is an action army tightbore already, I think. The chamber is not the red one but of high quality nevertheless.
Edit: Forgot the Classic Army M24 LTR. 90 degree trigger from the factory which is very solid.
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very nice..

 

[1tonne]

I would probably the T11. (Maybe a Bar10)
The T11 has pretty much everything you want except it needs a new piston. But at 1 joule, the current piston will last for a long time.
When you do upgrade the piston, I would not bother with an expensive weighted piston unless you are wanting to joule creep. So that depends on how your club Chronos.
At 1 joule, you should be able to fling 0.3gm OK. You can fling heavier bb's if you make a pressure spike. In fact at 1 joule you can fling bb's all the way up to whatever weight you desire. So even 0.48gm. All you need to do is put in a shorter inner barrel and bigger spring. This will then create the pressure spike you need. Though I would not be surprized if your inner barrel is 300mm long, that you may (I said may) be able to fling 0.36gm bb's well.
Personally, I would most likely just use 0.3gm bb's but I would experiment with 0.36gm. Though the 0.36gm will need a shorter inner barrel and bigger spring as well as a stronger piston.

 

[BlackDogAirsoft]

You don't really need an air brake at 1j though it will make it quieter, a gun at 1 joules will be quiet with out it provided you use a sorbo pad.

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