Well, Laylax is the middle of the road brand for VSR upgrades, and PDI is a bit better, is what I have and IMO is worth the extra money, and you cant go wrong with it. for a total PDI rifle, it is going to cost you around $500 for everything, if you buy a Z-Trigger. You should be fine with just sears, which is what I'm running with at the moment and they have lasted a couple thousand rounds on a 530FPS spring.
TM Vsr10 Gspec build
So I just got my hands on a brand new Gspec for relatively cheap. Seeing that this is my second bolt action I'm building I kind of know what I'm doing (internally). But since its a shorter rifle, I honestly don't know if I should go with a high fps or more of a mid range fps rifle. Also I'm sure this question is asked a billion and one times, but which barrel length should I go with and which company? I have about $500 to play with, but obviously I don't want to spend ALL $500. I hear Laylax and PDI are the "best" when it comes to internals, can someone give me some options/opinions on which to buy?
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I have had, and still have, both brands.
Laylax is a little loser on tolerances, and everything fits together with a little more play, Dont get me wrong, this is still a great setup. The Zero trigger cannot be beat, and you'll be doing some serious damage with this setup.
PDI, Well, it all fits together really snug. Great parts, and very well constructed. You cannot go wrong with pdi.
Currently, I have three fully laylaxed guns, and one Fully PDI upgraded gun. I've had more in the past, and havent had any problems with them.
In the end, It's all personal prefrence, just remember never mix the two brands. This is just begging for problems. You'll be happy with either setup.
Also, Remember Google.com will help you as well as this forum.
Laylax is a little loser on tolerances, and everything fits together with a little more play, Dont get me wrong, this is still a great setup. The Zero trigger cannot be beat, and you'll be doing some serious damage with this setup.
PDI, Well, it all fits together really snug. Great parts, and very well constructed. You cannot go wrong with pdi.
Currently, I have three fully laylaxed guns, and one Fully PDI upgraded gun. I've had more in the past, and havent had any problems with them.
In the end, It's all personal prefrence, just remember never mix the two brands. This is just begging for problems. You'll be happy with either setup.
Also, Remember Google.com will help you as well as this forum.
Mixing brands is like trying to smoke in a room full of gas fumes. Save your self the headache, and for the trigger and cylinder components, make a choice. The Hopup and barrel don't matter all that much, but some cylinder heads don't like the chambers, and vice versa.
I think I'm gonna go with the PDI setup. I've looked online for a zero trigger but I can't find any of them state side. All the ones I find are over seas and are priced at 200+ dollars. AirsoftAtlanta has them but it's the "bore" up trigger.
And remember, you don't need to buy the zero trigger asap. You can upgrade the barrel and hop up, then move on.
I really dont see the point of dropping tat ,uch cash on a Z or V trigger. For half the price, you can get both sears from PDI, and it still gets the job done. 2000 rounds later, only the finish has worn off with a SPR 250% spring.Gorem said:And remember, you don't need to buy the zero trigger asap. You can upgrade the barrel and hop up, then move on.
If you really wanted to get all the parts now and have a fully built rifle, you could buy everything from X-Fire (PDI's distributor)
If I were you, I'd Get the Full pdi cyl set, and a low fps spring, and see how you like it. If you want more, you can upgrade the spring and trigger/sears later on. The stock TM trigger assembly will take laylax sp120 springs and lower ans still hold up. The same goes for PDI 130% and lower. (this is not the case for clone trigger units.
Side note: If you are planning on running the 430mm barrel through the supressor, you will need to drill out the end cap of the G spec.
If I were you, I'd Get the Full pdi cyl set, and a low fps spring, and see how you like it. If you want more, you can upgrade the spring and trigger/sears later on. The stock TM trigger assembly will take laylax sp120 springs and lower ans still hold up. The same goes for PDI 130% and lower. (this is not the case for clone trigger units.
Side note: If you are planning on running the 430mm barrel through the supressor, you will need to drill out the end cap of the G spec.
Would I be able to get a full PDI setup but use Laylax sears? Or should I stick with PDI sears.
EDIT: I wanted to run it without the suppressor, so would I have to get the 303mm? Also if I were to run it without the suppressor, would I have to buy the bull barrel cap?
EDIT: I wanted to run it without the suppressor, so would I have to get the 303mm? Also if I were to run it without the suppressor, would I have to buy the bull barrel cap?
I would stick to one brand just to be safe.
303mm is G-spec and 430mm is Pro sniper
And as for the barrel cap, it wouldnt be needed, unless you really wanted it.
303mm is G-spec and 430mm is Pro sniper
And as for the barrel cap, it wouldnt be needed, unless you really wanted it.
Ok I think I'm gonna go 303mm. I guess I can go without the z trigger and buy the sears separately unless I can find a decently priced trigger.
What is your price limit on the trigger? The zero trig sells for 170$ on airsoft extreme (the local store around here). Not to promote my local store (it's kinda a chain anyways...) but that's the best price I've seen. It come with the Laylax Orange piston too. There's also the m trig for $140 but it's made by a guy with only his free time. There's also the PDI v trig which is $170 too I believe but comes with a cylinder head.
EDIT: I wouldn't recommend just getting sears because with a strong spring you are going to have a hard trigger pull and throw off your accuracy. Also the trigger box can break which will force you too buy a new trigger.
And sorry about any misspellings I'm on an iPhone.
EDIT: I wouldn't recommend just getting sears because with a strong spring you are going to have a hard trigger pull and throw off your accuracy. Also the trigger box can break which will force you too buy a new trigger.
And sorry about any misspellings I'm on an iPhone.
Z-trig will work with PDI, however, the piston will not fit in the PDI cylinder, and it doesn't include a Piston end to enable you to use the PDI piston.
As stated before, Stick to one brand.
PDI Cylinder set = PDI V trig.
Laylax cylinder, Piston, Spring, Spring Guide = Laylax Z trig.
As stated before, Stick to one brand.
PDI Cylinder set = PDI V trig.
Laylax cylinder, Piston, Spring, Spring Guide = Laylax Z trig.
Alright, well I might as well just stick with all PDI. So I would have to find a PDI v trigger.
I'm using a pdi 130, would that be too strong for just normal sear sets?awagg said:EDIT: I wouldn't recommend just getting sears because with a strong spring you are going to have a hard trigger pull and throw off your accuracy. Also the trigger box can break which will force you too buy a new trigger.
And sorry about any misspellings I'm on an iPhone.
Your stock sears should hold out for a long while, It isnt that hight of a fps setup (Around 370). Also, pdi sears will work fine as well.
Heres the PDI spring ratings:
120% - 350 fps
130% - 370 fps
140% - 380 fps
200% - 430 fps
250% - 440 fps
280% - 450 fps
330% - 460 fps
360% - 470 fps
Heres the PDI spring ratings:
120% - 350 fps
130% - 370 fps
140% - 380 fps
200% - 430 fps
250% - 440 fps
280% - 450 fps
330% - 460 fps
360% - 470 fps
Ok, so I can use stock setup with a pdi 130 for a while until I really need to upgrade.
Yes, you'll be fine with it.
TM sears are pretty solid.
TM sears are pretty solid.
Probably a dumb question but, you guys said stay with 1 brand. It will be ok for me to use a laylax 303mm 6.03 correct?
That is fine,
You could either get that, or a PDI 6.05 303mm Barrel.
Both are great.
You could either get that, or a PDI 6.05 303mm Barrel.
Both are great.
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