Uppgrade sequence/First build on a tight budget

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Patience

Discussion Starter · May 25, 2012

Hi guys!

I would like some advice on what upgrades I should get first. I am on a rather tight budget, so I can only reasonably afford one or two upgrades for my first rifle this summer, and I want to make sure I get the right ones. A high FPS isn't as important as having a consistent accuracy on a decent range (and no, I don't have number to add to that statement

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I have about 170-180$ put aside for this project (Rifle(94$) +Upgrades(76-86$)), and I aim to keep building the same rifle over time, so quality and durability of the parts is what I consider the most important.

The platform I have in mind is a BAR-10 G-spec, and I intend to run with a 430 mm barrel (I have a hunting scope just lying around).

These are the two barrel options I have in mind:
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-precision-brass-barrel-and-new-chamber-set-for-vsr-10.html
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/deep-fire-stainless-steel-6-02mm-barrel-for-vsr-10-430mm.html

the second question is if I should go for stronger spring+sears or a new hop-up housing and bucking. Which one does the most for accuracy and range?

The spring + sear combo I have in mind:
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/deep-fire-stainless-steel-first-and-second-sear-for-tm-vsr-10.html
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/mag-ma130-non-linear-spring-for-marui-vsr-10-series.html
(or) http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/laylax-pss10-130-spring-for-marui-vsr.html
or:

Housing+bucking
http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=37771 (which I guess is redundant if I go with the marui precision-set (?).
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/firefly-...marui-vsr-10-hi-capa-g26-p226-m1911-mk23.html

Like I said, what I am wondering is in which sequence I should get the upgrades. These are my suggestions, but If you have your own I am happy to hear them.

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suomijorma

· #2 · May 25, 2012

I like to upgrade my guns as cheap as possible so I do every DIY-mod there is, I recommend to polish the original barrel since you are on a tight budget.
I use a stock Well hop-chamber with a TDC-mod and ABB-ring, the TDC-mod is almost free if you know how to do it and it makes the hopup more consistent

I would put a M130-M140 spring and change the sears and maybe the piston, the plastic spring guide can be left alone since it can take a huge pounding ( I have used an M190 spring with the stock spring guide)

zero

· #3 · May 25, 2012

suomijorma said:
I like to upgrade my guns as cheap as possible so I do every DIY-mod there is, I recommend to polish the original barrel since you are on a tight budget.
I use a stock Well hop-chamber with a TDC-mod and ABB-ring, the TDC-mod is almost free if you know how to do it and it makes the hopup more consistent

I would put a M130-M140 spring and change the sears and maybe the piston, the plastic spring guide can be left alone since it can take a huge pounding ( I have used an M190 spring with the stock spring guide)

Completely agree with most of the above, make sure you do all the mods you can possibly do! However, when I upgrade/modify a gun, I work from front to back. Meaning you should start around your hop-up area and barrel first, as these increase your range and accuracy which make the sniper and his rifle; the sniper and his rifle! I would then move back and work on your sears/trigger mech. then move onto the bolt.

Zero

suomijorma

· #4 · May 25, 2012

both ways are totally acceptable ofcourse

Try reading about other peoples gun upgrades too and think about the real value of each upgrade. "Will this give me power/accuracy? Is it worth the price?"
And remember a bigger price does not always mean its better.

xVenom

· #5 · May 25, 2012

i have the TM precision chamber, works a charm
lifting a .28 on lowest hop thanks to a piece of paper in between the arm and the bucking

Cheese Man

· #6 · May 25, 2012

Why would you get a Gspec while running a 430mm barrel? Why not just get the pro?

Patience

Discussion Starter · #7 · May 25, 2012

All right.. Thanks for the suggestions guys! I'll let you know how things turn out.

@Cheese man: Availability issues mainly, it seems like no-one has the pro in stock nowadays.. Although I acutally prefer that model since it looks more like a hunting rifle.. Also, the G-spec comes with a scope-rail, which is simply another thing I do not have to buy extra.

Lightbulb

· #8 · May 26, 2012

Have a look at the clone zero trigger by action army. I fitted one and so far so good. Used it for about 2 days total and not had any problems. Can't speak for years of use but I see no reason why it wouldn't last.

Fitting them is sometimes a pain, but its just minor fiddling/filing.

That + a spring, spring guide, hop rubber is a near 'complete' upgrade.

First upgrade probably a hop rubber, then either the barrel or the above depending on your budget.

FPS = range so you need to decide what you want. What is decent? 40m (120ft?). Doable. 60m to 80m harder, probably even impossible on that budget.

Cheese Man

· #9 · May 26, 2012

Lightbulb said:
FPS = range

I'm sorry if I sound rude or otherwise offensive, but FPS NEVER = range.

On your budget, you should probably go for a TDC, new bucking, ER-hop and an LRB. I would recommend a Nineball with the ER-hop, as it gives you a nice seal. With the ER-hop, you can even use the stock barrel, just polish it when you go to install it.

Click on my sig if you want any help doing any of these things.

Patience

Discussion Starter · #10 · May 26, 2012

@Lightbulb: I have been looking at one of those, and they seem ok enough, but I think I'll save up for a laylax or PDI trigger when the time comes.

Well, my long-term ambition is to have a consistent accuracy at 80-100m (260-320 feet),but to begin with I'm quite happy with 30-40m

@Cheese man: A nineball = A nineball barrel? I'll look into the uppgrades you mentioned. Thanks.

reezo

· #11 · May 26, 2012

Patience said:
@Cheese man: A nineball = A nineball barrel? I'll look into the uppgrades you mentioned. Thanks.

No, he is referring to a Nine Ball Purple Hop Up Bucking. It is a great hop up but the ER hop will outclass it if installed properly. What the Nine Purple Bucking can still do is providing the great air seal it does provide, usually. So that's why he still suggested you that one

With R-Hops, the original buckings are shaved off of their internal mould and still installed OVER the R-Hop, in their normal intended position. Their purpose is to provide the air seal, while the R-Hop provides the effective hopping.

Masterjuggler98

· #12 · May 26, 2012

I have the nineball bucking and it is great. Got me better groupings than the firefly hard did. I can't say anything for consistency at different ranges because I am still playing around with upgrades.

reezo

· #13 · May 26, 2012

Masterjuggler98 said:
I have the nineball bucking and it is great. Got me better groupings than the firefly hard did. I can't say anything for consistency at different ranges because I am still playing around with upgrades.

Word everywhere is in fact the Nine Ball Purple hop is the best choice for operators worldwide

Masterjuggler98

· #14 · May 26, 2012

reezo said:
Word everywhere is in fact the Nine Ball Purple hop is the best choice for operators worldwide

What do you mean by "operators"?

reezo

· #15 · May 26, 2012

Humorous way of saying softgunners

Lightbulb

· #16 · May 27, 2012

Operator = a person, i.e. a military person, but used jokingly for airsofters

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Cheese Man said:
I'm sorry if I sound rude or otherwise offensive, but FPS NEVER = range.

Cheese Man - Ok '=' was lazy, and potentially not helpful for a new player. FPS is very important in determining maximum effective range though.

If you want to shoot 80m I do not believe you can do it with stock FPS. I do not believe that a gun shooting 300 fps is going to be able to reach 80m let alone be accurate, or let the person you shot feel the hit.

In my eyes:

FPS + good hop = range
Everything else it about improving accuracy. This is a much longer list:

Hop being the major one, straight, stays set, capable of giving sufficient hop for the weight of bb and power level.

Decent barrel is important. BB quality and weight plays a part too.

Consistency of shots, reducing shot to shot variations, vibration (barrel spacers and filling the stock with foam etc for this) the list goes on and on.

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However if you want to shoot 80m you need to up the power. Thus to go from super accurate 40m to accurate 80m you need to up the power. Thus fps (of course measured with 0.2) = range (but not accurate range, you need other bits to make the range effective).

In my opinion (if not doing it all at once) the goal should first be to shoot accurately at 40+m (hop, barrel, home mods) then when more money comes increase the power to get longer range (zero trigger, bigger spring, spring guide).

You could upgrade just the sears, piston, spring and spring guide but you then you are almost at the price of a zero trigger with an inferior gun.

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vindicareassassin

· #17 · May 27, 2012

Cheese Man said:
Why would you get a Gspec while running a 430mm barrel? Why not just get the pro?

Why not?! I do :shrug:

But then we're allowed to use working suppressors over here :bird:......:hehe:...... :tup:

vindicareassassin

· #18 · May 27, 2012

Lightbulb said:
If you want to shoot 80m I do not believe you can do it with stock FPS. I do not believe that a gun shooting 300 fps is going to be able to reach 80m let alone be accurate, or let the person you shot feel the hit.

In my eyes:

FPS + good hop = range
Everything else it about improving accuracy. This is a much longer list:

Theres alot of supposition & sumizing going on there chap, you CAN infact do all the things you ''believe'', for one reason or another, can not be done. :yup:

Its just a matter of knowing 'how' to achieve it, then putting the 'how' into practice, sadly some of those things are beyond the new tinkerer, or even the average one who lacks the finesse :hehe:

reezo

· #19 · May 27, 2012

Exactly.. also make sure you follow the golden rules of testing otherwise all the work done will be polluted by variables that are outside the influence of your tinkering.. thus sending all your careful tech work to the trash.

The more efforts you put into tinkering and tech-ing you weapon system the more your testing fundamentals must apply.

WorstInFinlanD

· #20 · May 27, 2012

Is your base rifle jg bar 10? Because by getting a nineball and doing airseal mods, you can get it upto 500 fps.

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