[Jaskadz]

So I am planning on buying the JG BAR-10 and upgrading it like many people do.

My question is that what parts should i get because there are so many tutorials but almost none provide links to those parts. (with links to shops that can ship to Finland if you could be that helpful)

I am somewhat new to the sniping platform and have played with snipers before but not too experienced with them (I have also played DMR for around 3 years). I know some basic parts here and there and have heard that parts like action army hop up chamber and maple and nineball bucking are quite popular.

My budget is around 500 euros but that can be somewhat exeeded if it performs better.

My field limit is 3J with 0.2 so I need to keep that in mind.

I have a lot of time and would be able to tinker with the gun to bring it to perfection.

If you have any other suggestions/helpful comments I am more than interested.

 

[Masada]

First off, I'll be that guy that recommends their own products, sorry lol.

I mainly focus on hop up improvements for performance, so my go-to list would be something like this:

Action Army red hop up chamber
aM hop up arm/nub (I make this part)
Maple Leaf Autobot bucking
Maple Leaf Crazy Jet barrel

If you want TDC adjustment there's some good options out there currently, but you normally trade a little shot-to-shot consistency (as compared to a one-piece arm design) for the ease of adjustment.

As for cylinder and other components I'm a bit less knowledgeable, although I'm working on fixes for a lot of that too.

 

[dastierjaeger]

First off, I'll be that guy that recommends their own products, sorry lol.

I mainly focus on hop up improvements for performance, so my go-to list would be something like this:

Action Army red hop up chamber
aM hop up arm/nub (I make this part)
Maple Leaf Autobot bucking
Maple Leaf Crazy Jet barrel

If you want TDC adjustment there's some good options out there currently, but you normally trade a little shot-to-shot consistency (as compared to a one-piece arm design) for the ease of adjustment.

As for cylinder and other components I'm a bit less knowledgeable, although I'm working on fixes for a lot of that too.

I second this

 

[SiliconeSword]

I would recommend that you do a slight change of course.

Novritsch SSG10, whatever one looks coolest
Action Army red chamber
Masada's arm or my nub SS-nub(free tutorial below)
Maple Leaf Autobot 70*-85* bucking or a Begadi one
Rapax spring if the one supplied isn't powerful enough

And that's really about it, as the barrel in the SSG is a pretty solid one, OEM'd from Maple Leaf I believe, and there's really no point replacing it unless you want a 5.98. It can and probably should be lapped though, which I also have a tutorial below for. There's other DIY stuff that you'd encounter in any VSR in terms of shimming, piston weighting, making spacers, making sleeves, sound dampening, and all that, but it should be no different, if even a little better than the SSG.

One last thing you can do to the SSG which separates most VSR bases apart is that you can make a one piece receiver with the long barrel model, which will increase accuracy a bit, but mainly make your gun less susceptible to changing it's point of impact by bumping it, or even putting it in a gun case like I've experienced.

 

[Jaskadz]

So what I am currently seeing is that i should maybe get the JG BAR-10 with slight hop and barrel upgrades or the ssg10 with hop upgrades.

Thank you for those suggestions and I think I want to get the JG BAR-10 with these upgrades (they are currently only from my local shops but i am going to buy cheaper from other sources)

JG BAR-10

Jing Gong BAR-10, musta

Jing Gongin BAR-10 on suora kopio Tokyo Maruin VSR-10 airsoft-kivääristä. Siihen käyvätkin täysin samat sisä- ja ulko-osat, kuten äänenvaimentimen adapterit ja tähtäinkiskot. Aseen mukana toimitetaan rautatähtäimien lisäksi myös tähtäinkisko. Toimivuuden varmistus: Kaikkien aseidemme toimivuus...

www.tradesoft.fi

Hop up chamber

Action Army Enhanced Hop-up Chamber Set for VSR-10 Series

Action Army chamber, which is CNC machined from aluminum, is a very good improvement for all owners of VSR series sniper rifles. The hop-up unit, which is meant for spring-powered rifles of VSR-10 series, is of much higher quality than the stock unit. The accurately adjustable spring-loaded...

en.tradesoft.fi

Masada's one-piece nub

CNC machined one-piece arm/nub for VSR-10 Action Army...

Easier way to buy - Am Ultimate ONE-PIECE Hop up Arm and Nub for the Action Army - Etsy This is a CNC machined version of my hop up arm for the Action Army VSR-10 chamber. Design is exactly the same as the 3D printed version that I've had available for years. Benefits of the CNC version...

www.airsoftsniperforum.com

70° hop up bucking

Maple Leaf Autobot hop-up kumi, GBB-pistoolit ja VSR-sarja, 70° - sininen 14,90€

Maple Leaf on viritysosavalmistajien kärkikastia. Etenkin hoppikumeistaan tunnettu Maple Leaf valmistaa huippulaadukkaita viritysosia jousiviritteisille Toimitusmaksu vain 3,99 euroa. Tutustu valikoimaamme verkkokaupassa ja Hämeenlinnan myymälässä. Yli 3000 tuotetta. Nopeat toimitukset.

www.atom-airsoft.fi

Barrel

Maple Leaf Crazy Jet tarkkuuspiippu 6,04mm VSR-10-sarjalle ja GBB-aseille (640mm) 75,00€

Maple Leaf Crazy jet tarkkuuspiippu on uuden generaation airsoft-piippu. Piipun päästä löytyy airsoft-maailman suujarru, jonka avulla kuulaa eteenpäin Toimitusmaksu vain 3,99 euroa. Tutustu valikoimaamme verkkokaupassa ja Hämeenlinnan myymälässä. Yli 3000 tuotetta. Nopeat toimitukset.

www.atom-airsoft.fi

So is this everything or are there any more thing to upgrade because there would still be quite a lot as it costs around 350e if bought from local shops.

Should I get some better parts if i want a better spring like rapax 2 or 2.8J spring?

 

[SiliconeSword]

Well the issue with the BAR-10 is that the cylinder, cylinder head, trigger, spring guide, spring, and piston are no good for actually being a sniper, and that is generally $200-300 in parts that you will need at some point when those things break.
The SSG10 has totally rock solid parts as strong as any upgrade part, with the only mediocre part being the hop chamber. Although it may be a bit more expensive, it will easily save you hundreds of dollars and a lot of work.

The standard Novritsch parts will hold 5J springs for a very long time if that means anything to you.

 

[Jaskadz]

2⅞Then i think I am going to go with the ssg10.

I have read a couple of people say that the ssg96 is bad compared to upgraded vsr 10 but i haven't heard anything about ssg10s.

The only somewhat confusing part is the "Masada's arm or my nub SS-nub". Didn't quite get the assembly there but i am sure i will figure out what to do. Are there any alternatives to that or is that the best way for performance.

I am guessing that i can use those hop chamber and the bucking that i already provided links to + rapax spring.

 

[Masada]

Ya the SSG10 is a better choice for it's solid cylinder setup. You can use the Action Army chamber just fine in the SSG10 as well.

Regarding the arms, Silcone Sword is referring to his guide on how to essentially make a one piece arm yourself. The other option he is referring to is my aluminum one piece arm that you have linked. The other alternative is to get something like the Tridos TDC for either the AA chamber or stock chamber, but as mentioned before you trade a little consistency for the ease of adjustment with that setup. From what I've found, the one-piece arm design (be it my aM design or Silicones guides) generally gives the best performance.

 

[Sodium]

First things first, make sure you get the silicone 2021 version autobot. They're much more temperature consistent than the older non-silicone one.

The ssg-10 chamber's also pretty good. i'd first just try out the 2021 bucking in it and run that. Same with the barrel. If it is bent or you want something different though, grab a lambda or davinci barrel 6.01mm barrel. They're fantastic and made of steel, so they'll last forever.

Didn't want Masada to be alone advertising his own parts, ao I figured I'd chime in with my own

In a couple of months, your cylinder may start scratching. If it does, I'm designing an end-all-be-all trigger solution that you may be interested in. It gets rid of all the springs in the trigger and replaces them with magnets, and uses a ball bearing to eliminate some friction inherent with the mechanism. An ssg10 with my trigger should be about the longest lasting and reliable spring rifle you could possibly own.

There's gonna be one EU retailer that should be easilg accesible to you, and it'll be out around Febuary/March.

 

[Plazmaburn]

The SSG10 is the better option. It already comes with a 90 degree trigger unit, unlike the stock JG which is 45. Roughly $150 to upgrade the trigger and piston. Maybe more depending on the trigger and piston you get.

Upgraded cylinder is another $75-ish.

Better money spent on the SSG10.

 

[Jaskadz]

What I am hearing now is that I should get the stock ssg10 and maybe upgrade the bucking and chamber if needed.

Should i run it stock and if it starts performing worse then switch parts or should i immideatly switch to the action army hop and silicone bucking and masada's one-piece nub.

My go to setup right now

Gun

SSG10 A1 Airsoft Sniper Rifle – Novritsch | Airsoft

eu.novritsch.com

Upgrades if needed:

Spring

Rapax 2.8 J spring | upgrade spring | prolonged lifetime

Rapax 2.8 J spring made for SRS/TAC41, SSG10, 24, 96 and to comply with various countries regulations with 2.8J sniper limit.

rapaxsprings.com

Chamber

Action Army Enhanced Hop-up Chamber Set for VSR-10 Series

Action Army chamber, which is CNC machined from aluminum, is a very good improvement for all owners of VSR series sniper rifles. The hop-up unit, which is meant for spring-powered rifles of VSR-10 series, is of much higher quality than the stock unit. The accurately adjustable spring-loaded...

en.tradesoft.fi

Bucking

Autobot VSR/GBB - 70 silicone rubber [Maple Leaf] | TaiwanGun US & EU

Autobot VSR/GBB - 70 silicone rubber [Maple Leaf] - 2021 Transformers Autobot 70 is a hop-up rubber made of a mixture of silicone, designed for the VSR and GBB series replicas.Its secret lies in the innovative shape of the element that wind the balls - DELTA. It is thanks to this unique shape...

www.taiwangun.com

And masada's one-piece nub

 

[Sodium]

Perfect. Though I would grab a RAPAX 3J RMS spring instead of the RAPAX 2.8J. The rms ones are a little shorter and wayyy easier to install. You can cut it down if it shoots too hot.

 

[Jaskadz]

OK so last final time the full setup.

This good?:

gun

SSG10 A1 Airsoft Sniper Rifle – Novritsch | Airsoft

eu.novritsch.com

spring

RMS 3+J spring | made in Europe | RMS 3+J spring

Rapax handmade springs - made in Europe to give you the best and most silent results for your sniper such as SRS/VSR/SSG24. RMS 3+J airsoft spring

rapaxsprings.com

chamber

Action Army paranneltu hop-up kammiosetti VSR-10-sarjalle 67,90€

Haetko tarkkuuskivääriltäsi maksimaallista tarkkuutta ja suorituskykyä? Mikäli vastasit kyllä niin Action Army VSR-10 hop-up yksikkö ratkaisee tämän Toimitusmaksu vain 3,99 euroa. Tutustu valikoimaamme verkkokaupassa ja Hämeenlinnan myymälässä. Yli 3000 tuotetta. Nopeat toimitukset.

www.atom-airsoft.fi

bucking

Maple Leaf Autobot 2021 silikoninen hop-up kumi, GBB/VSR-sarja, 80° - punainen 14,90€

Maple Leaf Autobot 2021 mallisarjan hop-up kumit edustavat Maple Leafin uusinta hop-up kumien kehitysversiota. Autobot 2021 mallisarjassa hop-up kumin Toimitusmaksu vain 3,99 euroa. Tutustu valikoimaamme verkkokaupassa ja Hämeenlinnan myymälässä. Yli 3000 tuotetta. Nopeat toimitukset.

www.atom-airsoft.fi

arm/nub

CNC machined one-piece arm/nub for VSR-10 Action Army...

Easier way to buy - Am Ultimate ONE-PIECE Hop up Arm and Nub for the Action Army - Etsy This is a CNC machined version of my hop up arm for the Action Army VSR-10 chamber. Design is exactly the same as the 3D printed version that I've had available for years. Benefits of the CNC version...

www.airsoftsniperforum.com

I think this will be the final order if I have got everything correctly.

 

[Masada]

Ya that will be an excellent performing gun.

 

[Sodium]

I'd also do a 70 degree instead of 80. In my experience, 70 works in just about every setup. 80 can be fickle sometimes.

 

[Jaskadz]

I'd also do a 70 degree instead of 80. In my experience, 70 works in just about every setup. 80 can be fickle sometimes.

So something like this would work better wouldn't it:

Maple Leaf MR. 2021 silikoninen hop-up kumi, GBB/VSR-10-sarja, 70° - sininen 14,90€

Maple Leaf MR. 2021 Silicone hop-up kumin tuoteperhe on uudistettu versio testeissä erinomaiseksi osoittautuneesta MR-mallisarjasta! Silicone-mallistossa Toimitusmaksu vain 3,99 euroa. Tutustu valikoimaamme verkkokaupassa ja Hämeenlinnan myymälässä. Yli 3000 tuotetta. Nopeat toimitukset.

www.atom-airsoft.fi

?
(Sorry if it is in Finnish)

 

[Sodium]

Yes

 

[Crius]

@Jaskadz
I suggest to keep in mind and test a few more things:
1) TDC
2) Buckings:
ML Autobot 70 (old-new)
ML Mr Hop 70 (old)
Modify X-Range 70
Flamingo (new) I've read very good comments about it, not tested it.
3) Make it silent
4) SS's nub

 

[Jaskadz]

@Jaskadz
I suggest to keep in mind and test a few more things:
1) TDC
2) Buckings:
ML Autobot 70 (old-new)
ML Mr Hop 70 (old)
Modify X-Range 70
Flamingo (new) I've read very good comments about it, not tested it.
3) Make it silent
4) SS's nub

TDC is pretty easy and as far as i am corned they don't cost that much. (Do you have any recomendations)

Bucking is also easy fix. So i shouldn't get the new ML MR bucking but those other 3 are fine.

I am not that experienced in making guns silent so what exactly makes there the biggest noise and how do i make it more quet.

I shouldn't get masada's arm/nub but the SS nub, ok.

 

[Crius]

what exactly makes there the biggest noise

Most of the loud sound comes when piston hits the cylinder head. Even though aftermarket pistons and cylinder heads have rubber to absorb the impact, this isn't enough. So you need to add special material (ex. sorbopads, rubber) to reduce the sound produced by the impact. I've installed a common yellow rubber band on the piston. Only this gave me the silent "suffocated" slam noise which is enough to make enemies unable to spot me so far. But you need to do more work to make the rifle silent. Search Utube with this keywords << making VSR10 silent >>
Other members here using and can suggest different materials.
But if you want to be extremely silent then HPA it.

I shouldn't get masada's arm/nub

I am not telling you, don't get Masada's parts. I just didn't try masada's inner parts. I've seen only the pictures of his inner parts. And just by seen those, I believe that they work just fine. Also I haven't read bad reviews about it so far.

I've made SS's-nub and installed it in my ssx23. I've noticed better bb trajectory & increase in accuracy.

So i shouldn't get the new ML MR bucking

The new one was tested and was curving my bbs to the sky. So its a <<no> from me.
The old version was installed in my VSR for two years (great bb trajectory, fully satisfied).

TDC

Many suggested Tridos TDC. So I installed it (super easy) in my VSR. Not tested on my field. But very soon will know. Personally I do expect to see small bb trajectory improvement because of the precise vertical pressure applied on the bucking...

Important
Keep in mind that maybe some parts that didn't work on A setup might work flawlessly for B setup. And this is important to know that upgrading a rifle requires inner part tests to see which part is good for each set up. As each setup has his particularly unique features. Here we recommend inner parts that we've seen that do the work in most cases(setups).