Updated, last piece to add is the DangerWerx Arm.
VSR Hop up Arm Comparisons-Dangerwerx Arm
More details to come for grades given to hop up arms....stay tuned
VSR HOP UP ARM COMPARISONS:
Recently got in touch with DangerWerx, a member on some of the other forums that a few of you guys may know or have at least been reading up on some of his custom works.
I was able to get a hold of one of his custom VSR hop up arms. With that said, I told him I would put together a review for him, and compare it to some of the other hop up arms I have used in the past.
With that said, this review will deal with the hop up for the VSR 10. The arms in comparison will include the stock arm, the PCS modded arm, the rubber o-ring hop up arm, and the Dangerwerx arm. I will start off by describing and linking some information (copy and paste for most part) from the hop up arms I have used in the past and will rate them on a scale of 0-100. 100 being the best obviously.
So buckle up, here we go!!
1. Stock VSR hop up arm: No mods, straight up standard hop up arm. When I first received my VSR 10, I used a stock arm with a non-modified hop up chamber, nine ball bucking, and EDGI barrel. Results were not bad, but immediately noticed a curving issue to the right. After some research, it became apparent that this is an extremely common issue with the stock VSR hop up, but some shims would solve the issue. So I added some shims....
Update!
Shimming the hop up:
First off, I went to the hard ware store, and unfortunately, no brass shim stock was available. However, I decided I could use something that I had at home, and that was note cards (suggested in Rick's linked thread). All you need is some note cards and Elmer's glue!
Note cards, being thicker than standard paper, seem like the perfect fit. Nice and smooth, and can allow for the arm shim to not get in the way of adjusting it back and forth. But at the same time, it keeps the arm from moving freely.
I applied some glue to the bottom of the shim and flattened it out with a flat head screw driver (more steady/smooth than using your fingers.)
I moved on to the arm next, and carefully cut out another shim.
I still need to let the glue dry before testing to see if the note card is too thick to allow the adjuster piece to slide in there.
Next up, the more tedious shim job.
Two pieces, was easy to do, just a tad more time consuming.
And here is all three shim jobs together:
Total time was roughly 15 minutes, very easy to do, and can be re-done if necessary! Only things you need are scissors, note card(s), glue, and a somewhat steady hand. I also found a phillips head screw driver/flat head screw driver was useful for cutting holes and flattening out shims.
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For more pictures, see this thread: http://www.c3airsoft.com/showthread.php/vsr-10-project-thread-25460.html
Results:
Day1
Grade: N/A--Its like doing half your homework and then turning it in. The part you did is great, but the half you didn't work is no good. I walked away from this to try different mods. I had plans to add a anti-flex plate but never got around to it. With that said, saw potential in this set up, but moved on to other mods to experiment a bit.
2. PCS MOD:
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Grade:79- While this mod proved to be beneficial in the time that I used it, it also was not the best solution to the problems I was having. The inconsistencies were the major issue, and left much to be desired. There was also too much hop that I never really got under control. Overall, I give it a C. It provided decent results, similar to that of a stock rifle, minus the curving issue apparent in the VSR 10 series rifle.
For pic reference, see: http://www.c3airsoft.com/showthread.php/vsr-10-project-thread-25460p2.html
3. O-ring Modded Hop up arm:
Did this mod on the fly, right before a game. Saw someone talk about this mod online and decided to give it a try. The object of this mod was to shave down the original hop up arm, just enough so that a small o-ring could go over top and around the hop up arm and sit on the fangs. This would in theory, help provide even pressure on the hop up arm.
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The results were actually quite impressive, a big step from the PCS mod. The shots were much more consistent, and while less pressure was now applied to the bucking, I still had enough hop to push the .4s out to a pretty good distance. I was pushing around 200 feet accurately with an SP130 spring, which clocked out at about 375 fps with .2 gram bbs. Not to shabby if I say so myself...
However, there were a few problems. Occassionly the o-ring would slip off the fangs and sit on the side of the bucking, rendering itself useless. Shots became less consistent and since the fangs were shaved down, the pressure on the bucking would become susbstantially less.
In addition, when adjusting the hop up for different weight bbs, the o-ring would slide around and snag on the side of the chamber. This sometimes made the pressure on the bucking a little "off" and curving would occur.
Overall, this was a decent mod that when installed right, was actually pretty nifty. Got rid of the curving issues most VSR models have while at the same time keeping shots relatively consistent.
Grade: 91 Proved to be a worth while mod, and a rather significant improvement over the PCS mod. Consistency went up and the amount of hop on the bbs went down in comparison to the PCS version. However, compared to the stock hop up, the o-ring provided much more hop and could carry a .4 on about 50% setting. While consistency increased, I was not 100% happy with the mod. There were a few shots here and there that "escaped" the normal line of fire, and these imperfections proved costly on the field. Granted, towards the end of the reign of this mod, it was near winter, when the winds picked up substantially and proved to affect shooting quite a bit. If anyone needed a home made mod, this would be the one to try and would be relatively happy with it. A high B for the o-ring mod, although I am sure some will find it to be "A" worthy, as it truly is a useful mod.
Groupings:Standing Position, no bi pod, minimal winds, .4 madbull bbs, 100 foot distance
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DangerWerx Arm:
Got two of these from DangerWerx himself to do some extensive testings and such, and upon receiving it in the mail, was very excited, as this particular hop up arm was designed very differrent from previous used arms. Rather than the fang system, the Danger Arm involved one single mound across the arm, resulting in more pressure on the bucking then with a standard arm. I am able to push .4s out with minimal hop adjusted (about 30% on).
The Danger Arm is CNC machined, and is custom made to fit the VSR 10. The single mound results in even pressure on the bucking and bb, and will help increase consistency over the stock arm as it is not plastic (which bends often).
One of the things to note though is that right curve can occur with the arm still due to the slider hop up adjuster (with the pin that goes inside the arm) coming out a bit, resulting in uneven pressure applied to the bucking. One of the things I wish TM did was...
1. made a anti flex plate
2. Provided two drilled holes instead of one so that two shims could be applied to the hop up slider piece, which would prevent bending, resulting in even pressure applied to the arm....or just made the hop up parts out of a quality metal...no bending, no problems.
However, I dealt with that by adding a piece of thick card board to the hop up adjuster piece, placed a shim on top, and this has helped keep the hop up adjuster piece down, and not popping up.
If there is one thing I wish someone would do, that is to make a metal anti flex plate. It is not exactly hard to do, but I unfortunately do not have the tools to do so. If anyone is interested in dimensions and would like to make a prototype, let me know and I can get the numbers for you.
PIC OF CUSTOM ANTI FLEX PLATE
PIC OF DANGERWERX ARM
Some things to note about the DangerWerx Arm:
1. It seems to be a tad thinner in size, as it leaves a bit of wiggle room in the hop up chamber in comparison to the stock arm. I simply applied some scotch tape as a shim (idea came from another user of the arm, thanks bud!) and this helped tighten it up and prevent unnecessary wiggle.
I would post a pic of the shim, but it is clear tape, and is simply applied in the same areas as the note card shim was applied above in other arm mods, with the exception of inside the hop up arm...do not need more hop then I already have.
2. You will be producing shots with more hop. In comparison to other mods, with the exception to the PCS mod which gave wayyy too much hop, this arm will provide more hop and ability to use heavier bbs without having to increase the fps output. For those of you with small FPS limits, you can easily run under 400 fps and still use your heavy weights if desired.
3. Like said before, the design is great, and provides even pressure on the bucking. This is the most evenly pressured you can get, as with previous mods, all was done by hand, and small variations could occur. (slightly unbalanced, etc.)
Therefore, the Danger Arm is perfect for you perfectionists, and will fling the bbs out without any side spin due to uneven pressure on the bucking. Please note though, any variations such as wind can cause curve, so keep that in mind when hitting the field.
Not much more to it than that. I recently got some testing done today and from weeks ago, but unfortunately heavy heavy winds prevented solid testing from taking place. I still need to get some shooting charts up so that you can compare the various hop up arms to each other and check out the groupings.
If you have any questions please let me know. Pics and more pics to come.
-shooting comparisons
-Analysis
-Grade of Danger Arm---Postponed until extensive testing in suitable weather conditions occurs. Stay tuned.
VSR HOP UP ARM COMPARISONS:
Recently got in touch with DangerWerx, a member on some of the other forums that a few of you guys may know or have at least been reading up on some of his custom works.
I was able to get a hold of one of his custom VSR hop up arms. With that said, I told him I would put together a review for him, and compare it to some of the other hop up arms I have used in the past.
With that said, this review will deal with the hop up for the VSR 10. The arms in comparison will include the stock arm, the PCS modded arm, the rubber o-ring hop up arm, and the Dangerwerx arm. I will start off by describing and linking some information (copy and paste for most part) from the hop up arms I have used in the past and will rate them on a scale of 0-100. 100 being the best obviously.
So buckle up, here we go!!
1. Stock VSR hop up arm: No mods, straight up standard hop up arm. When I first received my VSR 10, I used a stock arm with a non-modified hop up chamber, nine ball bucking, and EDGI barrel. Results were not bad, but immediately noticed a curving issue to the right. After some research, it became apparent that this is an extremely common issue with the stock VSR hop up, but some shims would solve the issue. So I added some shims....
Update!
Shimming the hop up:
First off, I went to the hard ware store, and unfortunately, no brass shim stock was available. However, I decided I could use something that I had at home, and that was note cards (suggested in Rick's linked thread). All you need is some note cards and Elmer's glue!
Note cards, being thicker than standard paper, seem like the perfect fit. Nice and smooth, and can allow for the arm shim to not get in the way of adjusting it back and forth. But at the same time, it keeps the arm from moving freely.
I applied some glue to the bottom of the shim and flattened it out with a flat head screw driver (more steady/smooth than using your fingers.)
I moved on to the arm next, and carefully cut out another shim.
I still need to let the glue dry before testing to see if the note card is too thick to allow the adjuster piece to slide in there.
Next up, the more tedious shim job.
Two pieces, was easy to do, just a tad more time consuming.
And here is all three shim jobs together:
Total time was roughly 15 minutes, very easy to do, and can be re-done if necessary! Only things you need are scissors, note card(s), glue, and a somewhat steady hand. I also found a phillips head screw driver/flat head screw driver was useful for cutting holes and flattening out shims.
For more pictures, see this thread: http://www.c3airsoft.com/showthread.php/vsr-10-project-thread-25460.html
Results:
Day1
Day2
Day3
Day4
END RESULTS: Never got it shooting the way I wanted it to....Hence round two below
Grade: N/A--Its like doing half your homework and then turning it in. The part you did is great, but the half you didn't work is no good. I walked away from this to try different mods. I had plans to add a anti-flex plate but never got around to it. With that said, saw potential in this set up, but moved on to other mods to experiment a bit.
2. PCS MOD:
END RESULTS: Ehh...definitely a improvement over the stock arm, but way to much hop even on the lowest setting. It was also extremely inconsistent out on the field, even with .4s. Overall, it sufficed for the time being, but being the perfectionist I can be sometimes, I strived for further improvements. This brings me too round three!!
Grade:79- While this mod proved to be beneficial in the time that I used it, it also was not the best solution to the problems I was having. The inconsistencies were the major issue, and left much to be desired. There was also too much hop that I never really got under control. Overall, I give it a C. It provided decent results, similar to that of a stock rifle, minus the curving issue apparent in the VSR 10 series rifle.
For pic reference, see: http://www.c3airsoft.com/showthread.php/vsr-10-project-thread-25460p2.html
3. O-ring Modded Hop up arm:
Did this mod on the fly, right before a game. Saw someone talk about this mod online and decided to give it a try. The object of this mod was to shave down the original hop up arm, just enough so that a small o-ring could go over top and around the hop up arm and sit on the fangs. This would in theory, help provide even pressure on the hop up arm.
The results were actually quite impressive, a big step from the PCS mod. The shots were much more consistent, and while less pressure was now applied to the bucking, I still had enough hop to push the .4s out to a pretty good distance. I was pushing around 200 feet accurately with an SP130 spring, which clocked out at about 375 fps with .2 gram bbs. Not to shabby if I say so myself...
However, there were a few problems. Occassionly the o-ring would slip off the fangs and sit on the side of the bucking, rendering itself useless. Shots became less consistent and since the fangs were shaved down, the pressure on the bucking would become susbstantially less.
In addition, when adjusting the hop up for different weight bbs, the o-ring would slide around and snag on the side of the chamber. This sometimes made the pressure on the bucking a little "off" and curving would occur.
Overall, this was a decent mod that when installed right, was actually pretty nifty. Got rid of the curving issues most VSR models have while at the same time keeping shots relatively consistent.
Grade: 91 Proved to be a worth while mod, and a rather significant improvement over the PCS mod. Consistency went up and the amount of hop on the bbs went down in comparison to the PCS version. However, compared to the stock hop up, the o-ring provided much more hop and could carry a .4 on about 50% setting. While consistency increased, I was not 100% happy with the mod. There were a few shots here and there that "escaped" the normal line of fire, and these imperfections proved costly on the field. Granted, towards the end of the reign of this mod, it was near winter, when the winds picked up substantially and proved to affect shooting quite a bit. If anyone needed a home made mod, this would be the one to try and would be relatively happy with it. A high B for the o-ring mod, although I am sure some will find it to be "A" worthy, as it truly is a useful mod.
Groupings:Standing Position, no bi pod, minimal winds, .4 madbull bbs, 100 foot distance
DangerWerx Arm:
Got two of these from DangerWerx himself to do some extensive testings and such, and upon receiving it in the mail, was very excited, as this particular hop up arm was designed very differrent from previous used arms. Rather than the fang system, the Danger Arm involved one single mound across the arm, resulting in more pressure on the bucking then with a standard arm. I am able to push .4s out with minimal hop adjusted (about 30% on).
The Danger Arm is CNC machined, and is custom made to fit the VSR 10. The single mound results in even pressure on the bucking and bb, and will help increase consistency over the stock arm as it is not plastic (which bends often).
One of the things to note though is that right curve can occur with the arm still due to the slider hop up adjuster (with the pin that goes inside the arm) coming out a bit, resulting in uneven pressure applied to the bucking. One of the things I wish TM did was...
1. made a anti flex plate
2. Provided two drilled holes instead of one so that two shims could be applied to the hop up slider piece, which would prevent bending, resulting in even pressure applied to the arm....or just made the hop up parts out of a quality metal...no bending, no problems.
However, I dealt with that by adding a piece of thick card board to the hop up adjuster piece, placed a shim on top, and this has helped keep the hop up adjuster piece down, and not popping up.
If there is one thing I wish someone would do, that is to make a metal anti flex plate. It is not exactly hard to do, but I unfortunately do not have the tools to do so. If anyone is interested in dimensions and would like to make a prototype, let me know and I can get the numbers for you.
PIC OF CUSTOM ANTI FLEX PLATE
PIC OF DANGERWERX ARM
Some things to note about the DangerWerx Arm:
1. It seems to be a tad thinner in size, as it leaves a bit of wiggle room in the hop up chamber in comparison to the stock arm. I simply applied some scotch tape as a shim (idea came from another user of the arm, thanks bud!) and this helped tighten it up and prevent unnecessary wiggle.
I would post a pic of the shim, but it is clear tape, and is simply applied in the same areas as the note card shim was applied above in other arm mods, with the exception of inside the hop up arm...do not need more hop then I already have.
2. You will be producing shots with more hop. In comparison to other mods, with the exception to the PCS mod which gave wayyy too much hop, this arm will provide more hop and ability to use heavier bbs without having to increase the fps output. For those of you with small FPS limits, you can easily run under 400 fps and still use your heavy weights if desired.
3. Like said before, the design is great, and provides even pressure on the bucking. This is the most evenly pressured you can get, as with previous mods, all was done by hand, and small variations could occur. (slightly unbalanced, etc.)
Therefore, the Danger Arm is perfect for you perfectionists, and will fling the bbs out without any side spin due to uneven pressure on the bucking. Please note though, any variations such as wind can cause curve, so keep that in mind when hitting the field.
Not much more to it than that. I recently got some testing done today and from weeks ago, but unfortunately heavy heavy winds prevented solid testing from taking place. I still need to get some shooting charts up so that you can compare the various hop up arms to each other and check out the groupings.
If you have any questions please let me know. Pics and more pics to come.
-shooting comparisons
-Analysis
-Grade of Danger Arm---Postponed until extensive testing in suitable weather conditions occurs. Stay tuned.
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I had been shooting at around 400 fps for a while, but switched to an SP 150 which put me at about 460 with an Angel Spring, and with my current spring it is unknown. Need to get to the field and chrono her.
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