[teaguem]

I want to run a VSR-10 with a charging handle instead of a bolt (because ambi and why not). The issue is that not only do I have an arm injury, I suspect that it'd put a decent amount of strain on the bolt system by charging an M150 with a charging handle.

My question is that, similarly to HPA where there's no physical effort needed to charge the next shot, is there some sort of upgrade that would assist in charging a spring like an M150? I could drop the FPS to make it easier to use but then I lose the range of a sniper.

Any upgrades that help with charging a VSR-10? Something electrical?

 

[TenshouYoku]

At that point you might as well buy a GBB rifle or an AEG, and HPA tap that thing, instead of sticking with a VSR.

 

[Wolfgeorge]

Why bother with a springer?
Buy a gas bolt action if you want an easy to cycle bolt with 500+fps.
My personal favorite is the Tanaka M700/M24/M40 and the VFC M40A5.
The VFC already takes VSR type buckings and barrels.

 

[teaguem]

At that point you might as well buy a GBB rifle or an AEG, and HPA tap that thing, instead of sticking with a VSR.

Trying to get something lightweight in the spring bolt action category due to higher FPS limits

 

[SiliconeSword]

I'd either get a gas gun or slap an HPA kit in that gun.
I'd do whatever is cheaper, including however many magazines you'd like to carry.

This is all the stuff you'd need to go HPA

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[Doctor Jest]

The VSR is a good platform BUT........short of changing it to a Wolverine Bolt kit (or some other HPA/CO2 system) then no.


If your field allows, an AEG (with or without HPA) is a good choice, or perhaps a Gas rifle as George outlines.


Edit: As SS posted, that's also a good system - just an FYI some fields in the UK are.....ahem....odd about HPA and Co2 powered setups so it's best to check where you plan on playing to avoid problems.

 

[teaguem]

I'd either get a gas gun or slap an HPA kit in that gun.
I'd do whatever is cheaper, including however many magazines you'd like to carry.

This is all the stuff you'd need to go HPA

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I already use HPA for another gun. I like it but I’m avoiding cables etc. Its a weird build I’m thinking of. Just trying to think of upgrades that reduce the effort required to draw back. Besides “hit the gym” (I do), I don’t want to put too much strain on 3d printed parts. Unless there’s a way to achieve higher FPS results on lower springs without sacrificing accuracy?

 

[RonSwanson]

I want to run a VSR-10 with a charging handle instead of a bolt (because ambi and why not). The issue is that not only do I have an arm injury, I suspect that it'd put a decent amount of strain on the bolt system by charging an M150 with a charging handle.

My question is that, similarly to HPA where there's no physical effort needed to charge the next shot, is there some sort of upgrade that would assist in charging a spring like an M150? I could drop the FPS to make it easier to use but then I lose the range of a sniper.

Any upgrades that help with charging a VSR-10? Something electrical?

9mm springs are easier than 7mm but still it depends on how much easier you need the bolt pull. Also teflon cylinders for reduced friction.

You could remove the bolt safety and custom make a charging handle style unit for the bolt but the bolt pull would be the least ergonomic thing in the world as you try to get your arm in line with the rifle to cycle the bolt and would likely strain more muscles during play as it would be so unnatural.

I believe in Japan they have started using an straight pull ambi dextrous bolt design in some of the custom vsr's, might be worth a look see if that might help with grip/hand position.

If an easy bolt is needed due to injuries/physical limitations that can't be overcome than in the UK wise it's get a gas sniper or an dmr.

Also airseal is key a good airseal normally let's you drop down a 20 M spring rating roughly

 

[Doctor Jest]

Accuracy really isn't a function of power........so don't worry unduly about that factor.

HPA with a tank in the stock perhaps? I would suggest trying to get as much Joule Creep as possible (in a spring build) but you still need a reasonably stout spring for 2.3j and I have no idea what you feel comfortable with. Also, depending on your field limits then you might be better with a DMR...for example; There's a field near me that allows 1.68j with a DMR and 2.3j with a bolt-action, and the difference in performance between the two isn't hugely significant - not for most engagement ranges where the faster follow-up is more valuable that some extra distance.

That said, with the UK limits as they are if you're limited to 1.49j (400fps with a .2 equivalent) then I simply wouldn't bother with a DMR.

 

[airsoftbatbat]

I want to run a VSR-10 with a charging handle instead of a bolt (because ambi and why not). The issue is that not only do I have an arm injury, I suspect that it'd put a decent amount of strain on the bolt system by charging an M150 with a charging handle.

My question is that, similarly to HPA where there's no physical effort needed to charge the next shot, is there some sort of upgrade that would assist in charging a spring like an M150? I could drop the FPS to make it easier to use but then I lose the range of a sniper.

Any upgrades that help with charging a VSR-10? Something electrical?

Unfortunately, there are no upgrades available for charging a VSR-10 with a charging handle. The only way to make the process less strenuous is to lower the FPS of the M150 spring, which will reduce the power of the shot and decrease the range.

 

[Plazmaburn]

There used to be a thread on here about doing a straight pull bolt. Can't seem to find it.

Unless you are willing to spend an absurd amount of time and money building a custom stock to do what I have in mind, then an HPA bolt and running it off co2 is more or less the best bet to achieve the desired result.

Or you skip the vsr, and get an ssx303, or an mk23/ssx23 and run it in a carbine kit.

 

[SiliconeSword]

Well the one thing with the VSR is that you hopefully have enough mags, and if you need more they are rather affordable. With a gas gun you would firstly need to spend at least $75 in parts to make it better, but then multiply like $65 by however many mags you want, give or take. The SSX303 or a MK23 kit is a bit like that with opportunity for $15 or more in upgrades that would help it out, but do take into account the $25-35 magazines, multiplied by however many you want.

Although it sounds the most expensive at first, I think that a Mancraft SDiK would be by far the cheapest if you already have a tank, reg, line, and mags, and you may never take it out after you get a feel for it. Some may complain about having a "horrible fire hose" and "heavy dive tank" on them, but it's really no worse than the Camelbak many use every game. I only moved away from a tank and line due to wanting my gun to look cooler, but I take my tank and line with me every trip, and have maintained the ability to use it if necessary for any reason.

 

[Sodium]

If what you're asking for existed, everyone would run it. The closest way you can achieve this is by making an extremely efficient build that could let you put in a lighter spring. In this, you'd want the tightest possible barrel (5.98), the heaviest/ bbs you can get (.48g bbs, or .69 ceramic bearings but they're expensive as heck), a piston that's exactly 65 grams, and probably an rhop. Even with such a system, you're probably only going to reduce the the spring from an m150 to like an m140... maybe an m130 but still a stretch. Can't guarantee this would really help much at all.

Also I prefer RAPAX springs to anything else. Easier to judge what fps output you'll achieve aproximately, and they're easy to install if you get the RMS variant. You may want to get the lightpull ones, but idk if those actually make it any lighter. I suspect they do not.

 

[SiliconeSword]

I was learning recently that a longer spring will be more powerful than a shorter stiffer one (firing pin springs), so I'd assume that the light pull Rapax is in fact lighter than the RMS for the same power output. Not sure what the difference is, but there should definitely be a difference.

 

[Doctor Jest]

I have a 5.98 barrel and a brand new Rapax 2j about to be installed. Not sure precisely how powerful it will be but my guess is 2.7j initially so I am pondering that bore up kit for science to see how easily I can hit 2.3j.

A Silverback might be a better option for that sort of build.

 

[TenshouYoku]

Trying to get something lightweight in the spring bolt action category due to higher FPS limits

For VSRs I do remember things such as having a one CM travel VSR bolt hooked to an HPA system so all you do is pretty much just flick the bolt a bit backwards and a spring will help push the bolt back into the rifle and load it gently.

If not using HPA then there obviously are options, ranging from a gas system (which is unreliable at times because cooling gas physics), or general mods that helps with reducing unwanted friction such as a bearing loaded spring guide. But I am pretty sure an electrically assisted system doesn't exist (and probably people would just say you're using a de-facto AEG anyway).

 

[Whiskey Whiskey]

You could go with one of the Ares series of sniper rifles (Striker, Helios, etc.), they use AEG springs and have a short stroke, all making it easier to pull the bolt back on a higher FPS build. Ultimately, the easiest bolt pulls and most versatile builds for any sniper rifle is an HPA build. Problem is, with something like the Wolverine bolt, tank, hose, compressor - well you're talking big $$$$!

 

[RonSwanson]

You could go with one of the Ares series of sniper rifles (Striker, Helios, etc.), they use AEG springs and have a short stroke, all making it easier to pull the bolt back on a higher FPS build. Ultimately, the easiest bolt pulls and most versatile builds for any sniper rifle is an HPA build. Problem is, with something like the Wolverine bolt, tank, hose, compressor - well you're talking big $$$$!

Honestly couldn't be more wrong about the striker, the short bolt pull means less air volume so shorter barrel so a hard spring is needed to make up.

 

[Whiskey Whiskey]

Feels a lot easier to me, results will vary!

 

[Doctor Jest]

Objectively, a smaller cylinder volume will require a higher tension spring to achieve the same FPS as a rifle with a larger cylinder. Can't argue with physics ^^