Will these work...?

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hoggie

Discussion Starter · May 9, 2011

I know NOTHING about AEG's. Here is a list of parts i'm looking at, I'm using a CYMA M14, will these all fit?
Prom. 6.03mm 509mm Tightbore
Systema Bucking
M130 Deepfire Spring
AIM Monster Piston
AIM Gear Set
Systema Shims
GEOTECH 5 1/2 inch Barrel Extent.
CYMA RAS M14 Handgaurd Rail System
ACOG Sight/AMP Red Dot
Systema High Torque Motor (This is the correct one, right?)

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awagg

· #2 · May 9, 2011

Spell check please!

But, just one thing. Are you sure you're wanting to spend the $100 on the Systema motor. They really aren't that much better than the G&P M160, which is around half the price. Look at the clone motors, they're just as good. Spend that 50$ toward some BB's, or better yet, a PDI tightbore

theend

· #3 · May 9, 2011

The CYMA M14 is a clone of the Tokyo Marui M14. The TM M14 has a special hop up unit, and a special V7 gear box.

The M14 hop up has the barrel retention cut outs in a different location than other AEG's. Most barrel manufacturers make the proper barrel, you just need to make sure to buy the correct one. For example, this is the barrel you want. Great barrel choice by the way.

The hop up takes normal AEG buckings, so the Systema bucking will be fine.

TM put an elongated cylinder in the M14 to support very long barrel lengths. Because of this you usually need to go up one more level of spring to reach a desired FPS. For example a spring that shoots 400fps in a normal AEG will shoot 380 or so in the TM M14. I'm not sure what FPS you are aiming for, but keep that in mind.

Searching Google I could not find the AIM piston and gear sets very easily. My guess is they are V2/3 and will not work in your M14. You will need to look for a gear set that states they are TM M14 specific, like these. Because of the elongated cylinder you will need a V7 specific elongated piston. I don't know of a good one, but here is an example of what you need. There is a way to convert to normal pistons if you search the web.

The shims are fine as all gear boxes use the same shims as far as I know. I know for a fact the CYMA M14 uses normal ones.

Make sure the suppressor is CCW. The RAS will work, however the RAS is designed with the use of a scope in mind. An ACOG will have to be mounted in front of the bolt. Personally I think that would look sort of weird, and I'm not sure how easy it will be for you to see out of. I noticed you picked out a non zoomed red dot style, so eye relief shouldn't be a problem. If you want to use an ACOG I would recommend a scope mount like this. It will mount the optic over the bolt and make it easier to use. Lastly, I don't think a 4x ACOG mounted on the RAS would have enough eye relief for you to use. If you do a search on Google for "M14 ACOG" you will find the propper mounting point and hopefully see what I'm trying to explain.

The high torque motor will work, just make sure to get a short type. You do not want a medium or long type as they will not work.

Lastly, I highly recommend the Guarder steel cut off lever. The factory cut off lever is made out of very cheap soft metal and will wear down quickly and leave you with only full auto. It is not a matter of if, but when it wears down. My team mate had his CYMA M14 wear the cut off lever down in less than 20K rounds. Another person I know had his TM's wear down in less than 30k rounds. Do yourself a favor and replace it while you're in there.

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mateba

· #4 · May 9, 2011

He is filling his basket on EVIKE. WHICH IS A CRAPPY PLACE TO BUY AIRSOFT! If you are going to spend $100 in the US you might as well shop over seas. You will either spend much less regardless of the shipping or you will buy better parts for the same price. EVIKE rebrands other products under AIM and MATRIX, its just a Chinese piston that probably cost them $7.

I second the Guarder cut-off lever!
I second the G&P M160 motor! ($50 over seas)
You will need a short type motor.
You will need true V7 gears.
You will need an o-ring air nozzle.

Those AIM gear probably won't work but I can't be sure because you didn't even give us links. Some CYMA M14 do not come with threaded outer barrels. Mine did not, so cross your fingers.

hoggie

Discussion Starter · #5 · May 9, 2011

What did I spell wrong? And trust me, theres way worst on here, i've seen it.

mateba said:
He is filling his basket on EVIKE. WHICH IS A CRAPPY PLACE TO BUY AIRSOFT! If you are going to spend $100 in the US you might as well shop over seas. You will either spend much less regardless of the shipping or you will buy better parts for the same price. EVIKE rebrands other products under AIM and MATRIX, its just a Chinese piston that probably cost them $7.

Those AIM gear probably won't work but I can't be sure because you didn't even give us links. Some CYMA M14 do not come with threaded outer barrels. Mine did not, so cross your fingers.

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I said I don't know AEG's because I don't. I don't know where to shop, hense why I asked on here aswell. Where do you suggest man?

TheEnd, I don't want to quote all the great info. Thanks for it all, I'll take this all into consideration. I'll post a updated list ASAP.

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awagg

· #6 · May 9, 2011

mateba said:
He is filling his basket on EVIKE. WHICH IS A CRAPPY PLACE TO BUY AIRSOFT! If you are going to spend $100 in the US you might as well shop over seas. You will either spend much less regardless of the shipping or you will buy better parts for the same price. EVIKE rebrands other products under AIM and MATRIX, its just a Chinese piston that probably cost them $7.

Honestly, Evikee does get a lot of crap for being a bad store, but it's really their customer service that sucks. I've had very good experiences with Evike, so far, but some people have really gotten screwed over.

Also, with Chinese shipping being ≈35$ for 3-4 WEEK shipping, and ≈50$ for 1 week shipping, it really isn't cost effective when ordering 100$ worth of parts.

Secondly, many, many American retailers re-brand products. Does this make them a bad company? Lets name some: Evike, ASGI, Airsplat... and many, many more. Does this make them bad companies? Not at all.

Third, Evike does have very good products, ESPECIALLY for AEGs. They have most name brands, along with good clone guns.

Evike might not be the best American Company, but works, and is good if paying the insane Chinese shipping isn't cost effective for you.

Cheese Man

· #7 · May 10, 2011

With TMC, it's $40 for 2-DAY shipping, and they're in HK.

I would recommend buying any and all parts from them, they have great customer service, and usually have some really rare guns/parts in stock.

awagg

· #8 · May 10, 2011

TMC? Haven't heard of it...

Cheese Man

· #9 · May 10, 2011

Tokyo Model Company

tokyomodelcompany.co.hk

awagg

· #10 · May 10, 2011

You really blew it on that link there.

http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk

EDIT: I looked around a little bit. Looks like they don't sell Laylax parts, and high prices for China...

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Cheese Man

· #11 · May 10, 2011

Woops... sorry.

They have tons of PDI parts for Type 96, that's why I like them. Try FF or First Factory, same as laylax - they have tons of those...

Besides, shipping really helps. They can get it to your door in a week or two for under 10 bucks...no matter what the size. Just say to them that you want it to cost x amount of money, and they will ship it for that much, and vary the speed/carrier to get that. I literally got my parts here (AK) for under 5 dollars.

On topic: Go with what TheEnd said, that is the same basic stuff that I used for my friend's Cyma M14.

awagg

· #12 · May 10, 2011

Damn. I better check that out then. I'm fine with week long shipping, any more than that makes me angry...

Thanks!

pvt13

· #13 · May 10, 2011

Check out http://x-fire.org

It's PDI's own distributor, they offer the product at lower prices because they don't have to import the parts. Shipping isn't that expensive aswell. And it's PDI so quality is good.

mateba

· #14 · May 10, 2011

Wow guys! Have you tried REDWOLF or WGC. If you are buying just parts its just over $20. Redwolf beats AIRSOFT GI to my house and WGC takes 2 weeks, Ehobby Asia and takes about the same or a little more. Ebaybanned takes 2 weeks plus but its free. Tiger111 and Ebaybanned for Chinese stuff.

I have never payed $40 over seas unless I bought a replica, mags or BBs. Its based on weight, thats it.

furrycowthingy

· #15 · May 11, 2011

TheEnd said:
The CYMA M14 is a clone of the Tokyo Marui M14. The TM M14 has a special hop up unit, and a special V7 gear box.

I thought it was the G&G and the CA that had special hop units and the TM was the normal. The CYMA is a clone of the TM. So it's normal isn't it?

mateba

· #16 · May 12, 2011

Yes, you are right. Marui had it first and again they are the standard. V7 parts are Marui specific unless the cloner included them. In most cases the original parts that are proprietary such as the G&G M14 motor cage are hard to come by if something happens.

hoggie

Discussion Starter · #17 · May 16, 2011

Still deciding...

theend

· #18 · May 16, 2011

furrycowthingy said:
I thought it was the G&G and the CA that had special hop units and the TM was the normal. The CYMA is a clone of the TM. So it's normal isn't it?

No. The G&G and CA M14's use a standard Tokyo Marui style AUG hop up chamber. Any normal AEG barrel will fit.

The Tokyo Marui M14 uses a special hop up unit that has the barrel retention cuts in a different spot. For example a barrel from a Tokyo Marui M4 will not fit in a Tokyo Marui M14. However a Tokyo Marui M4 barrel will fit in a G&G or Classic Army M14 because it uses the same hop up chamber design as a Tokyo Marui AUG.

In short, the TM M14 hop up is special in that it uses a proprietary barrel that to my knowledge no other AEG uses. The G&G and CA use a normal AUG unit which will accept any normal AEG barrel.

mateba said:
Yes, you are right. Marui had it first and again they are the standard.

His statement is incorrect. The TM M14 is the standard for Version 7 gearboxes. While the G&G and CA style M14 do have a few special parts, the hop up is in no way special or proprietary.

explosive

· #19 · May 17, 2011

. In most cases the original parts that are proprietary such as the G&G M14 motor cage are hard to come by if something happens.

In the near future I hope to post up photos and results of my recent G&G M14 dmr project.

Anyway, I cracked the motor cage on my M14. At the time unfamiliar
with the G&G M14 mechbox and I tried to force the trigger assembly into place. I called TopTechUsa (G&G) in search for a part.
They said that Airsoft GI can order parts for the G&G M14 and resale them to the consumer. I ended up using some JB metal weld putty
to fix the crack in the motor cage.

Also, I installed a 6.05mm PDI in my G&G M14 and results were pretty amazing. 30+ more feet in range vs. the stock barrel, which I did polish the stock barrel inner bore.

I just have a couple cosmetic, external parts to order and install
before I post up about my M14.

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