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Silverback SRS, SecretAznMan's Review and Modifications

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#1 · (Edited)
The purpose of this document is to share my experiences with the Silverback SRS Covert. The SRS being a new and very unique replica raised lots of questions in the community. Here I will address many aspects of the SRS and show from my experience that not only is it very pretty, but it's also a perfectly skirmishable airsoft sniper rifle. When I began writing this I had fielded the rifle two times. I will continue to update this as I continue to use the SRS.

UPDATE 20160102: Cylinder Volume and Barrel Lengths.

UPDATE 20160128: Welded Bolt Handle and Reloading Gyfcat.

Update 20160325: Upgraded Sear Spring

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Build quality and aesthetics.

All the metallic parts are CNCed and the quality is exceptional. All receivers have individual serial numbers which are also listed in the manual and on the box. I am personally the proud owner of Silverback SRS #456. The plastic portions of the body are high quality and are on par with the Ares Amoeba nylon fiber bodies. All the important parts like the sears are made from carbon steel, insuring that they will have a much longer life than the stock VSR-10 sears we are familiar with.

Nothing wobbles. I have seen on this forum before that they briefly held the SRS and noticed the barrel wobbles. However, I believe that the barrel was improperly secured. When tightening the barrel in place, on the right side of the SRS there are 4 screws that need to be tightened. I noticed that if one simply tightens one after another, you will have a loose barrel. To solve this, tighten the screws finger tight one after another, then, return to the first and tighten again. You'll notice that the barrel can be finger tightened significantly more. Repeat this process with the rest of the screws until you can no longer finger tighten the screws.

Bolt and Priming

This is one of the unique features of the SRS. While it does allow the SRS to have a very authentic bullpup function there is a detriment in terms of the priming motion. When you pull the bolt back, there is no resistance and this allows the sears to catch onto the back of the piston. Pushing the bolt forward allows the back of the cylinder to compress the spring.

When you first take SRS out of the box, the priming motion is terrible. However, there are two remedies to this. The first thing is to lube the cylinder. The lube provided by silverback is a silicone paste and will significantly improve the ease of priming when copious amounts of it are used. I prefer to use a more viscous silicone oil. You'll notice after a couple hundred shots that the silicone paste turns into a greyish metallic gunk. What I believe is happening is the repeated priming motion scrapes the walls along where the cylinder travels. You'll also see that the cylinder and the cylinder head also gets scraped. This is the second remedy, as you break it in, it'll be easier to prime. Once you clean out all the gunk with some paper towels and such and apply your silicone oil, you'll notice that your SRS is easier to prime. Currently, my bolt travel is so smooth that with the trigger pulled and the bolt handle turned up, the bolt will travel back and forth just by tilting the SRS slightly.

A vertical or angled foregrip may help some get the properly leverage to ease priming.

I also found that replacing the spring with a non-airsoft spring also eased priming. See Spring/Power Upgrades Section

Worn in bolt and body

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Spring/Power Upgrades

The SRS uses AEG springs. Silverback posted a video of how to do a spring upgrade on the SRS that you can find on youtube. Out of the box it shot 1.7J. Replacing the spring with what I believe was an m130 brought my power up to 2.3J. Personally I found the spring weight perfectly manageable when priming.

I have stopped using airsoft springs in the SRS. While AEG springs work, they rub against the spring guide/plunger rod making the prime more difficult and possibly decreasing performance. To avoid this I used a spring from McMaster Carr part number 9637k26. This spring has a larger coil diameter than an AEG spring. After cutting this spring to slightly longer than the length of the cylinder and bending the ends inwards, the spring fit perfectly into the cylinder. With this length of spring of spring I measured 2.2J with a significantly easier prime than before. With longer lengths this "k26" spring, I also achieved up to 3 joules of power with of course a much more difficult prime.

Shortened K26 spring with AEG spring

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Hop-up and performance

Another unique feature of the SRS is that it does not use a conventional hop up arm. Instead, it has two screws that come in and two different angles to adjust whatever kind of contact you are using with the BB. In theory, this would allow you to correct hop for windage as well as more and less hop. Amazingly, and I had strong doubts about this, it works. In the stock form, SRS provides a pretty standard bucking with a standard hop-up mound. This bucking is nothing special and you'll get the standard range you see with stock hop up nubs albeit with the advantage of being able to adjust for windage.

I'm an R-hop user and I really like my soft nubs. However, to my amazement, the SRS hop-up chamber works perfectly with R-hops. Not only did I have an R-hop for increased range and accuracy, but I was also able to adjust for windage by tweaking just one side of the hop.

Though hop performance is a bit difficult to objectively measure in airsoft, the best comparison I can make is to my other sniper rifle. I have a JG BAR-10 with a mancraft kit SDiK with the mancraft regulator using 12g CO2 powerlets. Its barrel is a EDGI bull barrel with an action army hop-up chamber R-hopped with a soft nub. My SRS has of course the R-hop but with a 420mm 6.02mm ZCI Barrel. In terms of accuracy and range, both at 2.3joules and using the same 0.36g bbs, the performance is very similar.

Silverback posted a video of how to replace the barrel and hop up bucking that you can find on youtube.

Seal

The provided seals are very good. If you put your finger against the barrel and fire with no bb your finger will stop the air from escaping and you get a nice satisfying expulsion of air when you remove your finger.

Bolt handle

The screw holding it on broke after the first day of playing. However, the solution was very simple. The handle is held into place by a steel M4x10 screw. I went on ebay and purchased a blackoxide M4x10 screw which is much stronger than the screw provided. Since then I have had no problems with this aspect of the SRS.

Silverback was kind of enough to let me beta test an update to their product with a welded bolt handle. This greatly enhanced the strength of the bolt assembly. I believe this should be pretty easy to do in the hands of an experienced welder. Otherwise I suggest finding a welding shop near you if you want to get this modification.

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Sear Spring

After a few weeks the gun started to fire without the trigger being pulled. Luckily, the sears themselves were just fine but the sear spring definitely needed an upgrade. McMaster-Carr part 9657K63 was a perfect replacement. Cut it to the same length as the stock spring first.

Stock spring on the left, McMaster-Carr spring on the right.
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Magazine and reloading

The 30rd magazine is affordable and is very well made. I have had no issues with feeding. It fits very snuggly into your standard 5.56 faco pouch.

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Some users have reported having a bit of difficulty in finding an efficient method of changing mags. The following link will provide a video of how I do it.

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Cylinder Volume and Barrel Lengths

Choosing an appropriate barrel length for a given cylinder option is very important. While there isn't an empirical consensus on what the optimum setup is, it is generally agreed that you need long enough barrel to make use of the output of the cylinder, and you need a short enough barrel so that you don't run out of the air pushing your bb out before the bbs at the end of the barrel. Of course, the optimal ratio is also affected by the mass of the bbs and the power of the spring. The range of acceptable cylinder to barrel volume ratios has been inferred to be about 1.5 to 2.5. But many people argue that it is much better to be on the larger end of that ratio than the smaller end.

SecretAznMan's safe bet - Just go for greater than a ratio of 2. From what I've read and experienced overvoluming doesn't hurt, especially if crowned barrels work in the way we think they do.

The cylinder volume of the SRS is about 28mL. The SRS comes with one of three barrel lengths you can choose that are 6.05mm. Here I will list the model, the inner barrel lengths and their volume ratios to the cylinder.

26" - 680mm - 1.4
22" - 578mm - 1.7
16" - 420mm - 2.3

These are just the stock barrels of course. The barrel that comes with the SRS is very middle of the road in terms of quality. But that's probably because almost everyone who's going to put any time and effort into their SRS is going to swap out the inner barrel anyways.

Closing remarks

Thank you for reading, I hope this document provided some new information about the SRS. It's definitely a unique airsoft replica and great for those who want something different yet also skirmishable.

Comments, flames, and questions are all appreciated.
 
#2 · (Edited)
Thank you for the review.

Question: I would believe that for the SRS you would have to turn the hop up off when you are going to access the internals of the rifle no? That means you would have to readjust hop up every time. Look forward to the answer.

Your bolt handle broke or was it the screw that was holding the bolt handle?

Would like to provide a video of SRS hop up being tested a bit by brainexploder on YouTube as it would show how it functions and what not. If you would like to have it removed please tell me.


(Pst. someone may catch that you did not get an intro post going. Quickly get one up! Thanks again)
 
#4 · (Edited)
Srs 00608 for me.
Amazing rifle, i buy the Cover 16" and all accessoires to convert him to 22" and 26".
I can convert from 16 " to 26 " in two minutes.
Each outer barrel has is own hop-up chamber, so there is no need to turn the hop-up off to change the configuration.
I would use 16 on narrow grounds, and 26 on the main field.
16 will have a PDI 6.01 barrel for better accuracy on short distance and 26 will have a PDI 6.08 barrel for better reach.
But before, i need to re-store money xD
 
#7 · (Edited)
Sorry, i said "after" instead of "before" i need to re store money. (I'm French, it's hard with Google Trad^^)
For the moment, i don't have the PDI's barrel, because i don't have the money.
I only have the 16" original barrel. (414fps)
The spare outer barrel are sell with hop-up chamber but without inner barrel and hop-up rubber.
 
#9 ·
I'd just R-hop a ZCI barrel. I don't know whether they are easily available for where you are, but as an owner of many ZCI barrels and the coveted EDGI VSR-10 bull barrel, I haven't noticed a significant difference. That's not to say that the EDGI barrel isn't amazing, it's more just a statement of how good the ZCI barrel is for the money. In the United States the ZCI barrel is much more affordable than any of the barrels you have mentioned.
 
#10 ·
SecretAznMan,

Thanks for the info! Following your lead here on my own SRS. It is en route currently, along with 5 K26 springs per your advice. A few questions for you:

1) Were you using a full length K26 spring when you got 3J? Or is a full length K26 too long for the cylinder? If it is, can you identify the length you cut the K26 down to to achieve the most power? (I know I can figure this out via trial and error, but if you can tell me the length, it'd save me some time.)

2) What is the OD of the suppressor you have? Is it small enough to fit within the rail system if the barrel was shorter?

3) Replacement bolt handle screw: Can you link the one that you purchased, or identify the style of head on that screw? Black oxide is just the outer finish, otherwise it is just a standard steel replacement? Is there any reason I wouldn't be able to find an adequate steel M4x10 screw at a local hardware store? If not, I'd like to go ahead and have some spares on hand.

Thanks again for the info
 
#14 · (Edited)
SecretAznMan,

Thanks for the info! Following your lead here on my own SRS. It is en route currently, along with 5 K26 springs per your advice. A few questions for you:

1) Were you using a full length K26 spring when you got 3J? Or is a full length K26 too long for the cylinder? If it is, can you identify the length you cut the K26 down to to achieve the most power? (I know I can figure this out via trial and error, but if you can tell me the length, it'd save me some time.)

2) What is the OD of the suppressor you have? Is it small enough to fit within the rail system if the barrel was shorter?

3) Replacement bolt handle screw: Can you link the one that you purchased, or identify the style of head on that screw? Black oxide is just the outer finish, otherwise it is just a standard steel replacement? Is there any reason I wouldn't be able to find an adequate steel M4x10 screw at a local hardware store? If not, I'd like to go ahead and have some spares on hand.

Thanks again for the info
Hi! glad you found the information useful

1) A fresh K26 spring is way too long to use. To get the 3 joules i cut one down to about the length of a standard AEG spring, so 7 inches or so.

2) My supressor has 30mm OD, and could easily slip under the rail.

3) I'm not sure about the screws internally, sorry, i just read that these are a bit more resilient. But these are the screws I got.
M4 x 10mm Qty 10 DIN 7991 Flat Head Cap Screws FHCS Black Alloy Grade 12 9 | eBay

Thanks for reading, glad you found it useful, and sorry for the late reply.

Sadly, im from czech republic , and ZCI barrels aren't available here. Most of the barrels in this length (650mm) are made for TM PSG-1 but i don't think these barrels will have the same mount as SRS. Please correct me if im wrong.
I believe the PSG-1 inner barrel is cut in the standard AEG fashion.
 
#18 ·
Got mine in today. Have you noticed issues with the bolt pushing all the way forward? Every so often it gets caught up and won't go the last 1/2in or so to where the bolt handle rotates down.

Other than that, results have been amazing. Don't have the K26 spring with me, but used what is believed to be a Madbull M130 (gold). Installed a Rhop on a 509mm 6.01. This set up was producing right under 3J… 398fps with .40gs. Pretty awesome for a M130 spring. It honestly doesn't feel much more difficult to operate than the stock spring did.

Headed out in the daylight tomorrow to get some idea of range, but: 3J, Rhop, and a 509mm 6.01 should easily get me some great results.
 
#19 ·
Got mine in today. Have you noticed issues with the bolt pushing all the way forward? Every so often it gets caught up and won't go the last 1/2in or so to where the bolt handle rotates down.

Other than that, results have been amazing. Don't have the K26 spring with me, but used what is believed to be a Madbull M130 (gold). Installed a Rhop on a 509mm 6.01. This set up was producing right under 3J… 398fps with .40gs. Pretty awesome for a M130 spring. It honestly doesn't feel much more difficult to operate than the stock spring did.

Headed out in the daylight tomorrow to get some idea of range, but: 3J, Rhop, and a 509mm 6.01 should easily get me some great results.
Nice.

If i had to guess you may have gotten a bb jammed in the pathway. If you notice on the bolt's front end, there are two things that stick out laterally, 1 is the bolt handle and the other is a screw that keeps it in the groove. That screw may be loose or there may be a bb that snuck into the groove.
 
#20 ·
Those don't appear to be the issue. Often re-racking the bolt makes it seat properly. Not sure, I'll keep looking at it.

Pretty pleased with the range and accuracy considering the few upgrades I've put into it.

However, I did manage to break the bolt handle screw for the 2nd time. I found a replacement screw on my tech table, but I guess I'll wait for the eBay order to replace it this time. It was only a M130-140ish spring. Might be adding some JB weld there to reinforce the handle.
 
#24 ·
Im basically a noob to airsoft ... I've got a h&k 416 and am looking to get a silverback w 26 inch barrel.

Im wanting it to shoot at 550fps with a .25.

I also noticed that some of you said tge 26 inch barrel is too long. Why is that and are you all in agreement?

Any tips on what all I need to purchase etc to upgrade this thing and any details on how it measures up against other snipers would be greatly appreciated.

Ty
 
#25 ·
Im basically a noob to airsoft ... I've got a h&k 416 and am looking to get a silverback w 26 inch barrel.

Im wanting it to shoot at 550fps with a .25.

I also noticed that some of you said tge 26 inch barrel is too long. Why is that and are you all in agreement?

Any tips on what all I need to purchase etc to upgrade this thing and any details on how it measures up against other snipers would be greatly appreciated.

Ty
I've covered all the questions you've asked in my opening post.

If you don't own or haven't played a bolt action rifle a significant amount of time, I would not recommend you buy this rifle. It's expensive, quirky, and you can get a much better introduction to bolt action rifles at a significantly lower cost with a cheaper rifle.
 
#27 · (Edited)
Grant, your fps limits may be different. If his fields will let him use the power, than it isn't a problem of yours. I have plenty of skirmishable rifles that powerful, and with minimum engagement rules, they are no more hazardous than 300 fps from 10 feet.

Bodyshrapenal, you probably should go make an intro post ;)

If you look at the first post here, the barrel to cylinder volume ratio was calculated. General consensus is that you should have roughly 1.7x the volume of the barrel in the cylinder. If you plan to shoot heavy ammo though (.36g .40g .43g), which you should certainly use if your gun chronos around 500+ fps with .20g, more volume is suggested. Up to over 2x the volume in the cylinder vs the barrel for heavy ammo.

If you notice, the 26" SRS only has 1.4x the volume in the cylinder.

There are many other threads discussing the pros and cons of proper voluming. If you really like the look of the 26" model, I highly suggest you get a shorter inner barrel for it.

While I agree the gun is new and quirky, if you spend $600 on a SRS, barrel, hop up work, and a spring... It will be far less expensive than a laylax or PDI built VSR. I think the SRS is a great bang for your buck... Pending being able to reinforce the bolt handle screw
 
#28 ·
^^Exactly Skywalker. My field allows it and so does many others around here.Also there is a hundred foot engagement distance... so unless you're playing with a bunch of 8 year old school girls there shouldn't be an issue.

@asian man.. You analysis isnt the end all be all gospel truth. I asked cause I wanted other ppls feed back as well so get over yourself.


@ Skywalker. Is there any way to modify or replace the cylinder to handle a 26 inch barrel? Also what inner barrel would you guys suggest, and outside of the replacement screw and mentioned spring change are there any more internal modifications you guys would recommend. ( r hop up is prob not an option for me so what do you guys suggest on that)?
 
#29 · (Edited)
^^Exactly Skywalker. My field allows it and so does many others around here.Also there is a hundred foot engagement distance... so unless you're playing with a bunch of 8 year old school girls there shouldn't be an issue.

@asian man.. You analysis isnt the end all be all gospel truth. I asked cause I wanted other ppls feed back as well so get over yourself.

@ Skywalker. Is there any way to modify or replace the cylinder to handle a 26 inch barrel? Also what inner barrel would you guys suggest, and outside of the replacement screw and mentioned spring change are there any more internal modifications you guys would recommend. ( r hop up is prob not an option for me so what do you guys suggest on that)?
I never said it was. But you're also asking a question that has been discussed to death all over the the various airsoft forums and I thought I summarized it quite well.

And no, you can't modify the cylinder unless you machined an entirely new part. If R-hops are not an option try a different aftermarket bucking. Since it's AEG bucking compatible it can use things like PDI W-holding, maple leaf etc.
 
#32 · (Edited)
Ty. Somehow I didnt see your bottom part about the volumes etc so plz give me a break bro.

So long story short if I plan to shoot a .43 at the formenetioned fps (550 w.25) I should go with the 16 inch?

Tight bore?
If you really want to shoot 3.5 joules I recommend you go with a different system altogether. The limited volume and the push-forward prime of the SRS don't make it an ideal candidate for 3.5 joules. I wouldn't be surprised if we couldn't even get it up there and be skirmishable. VSRs have a ~36mL volume and a much easier priming motion. You could also go with a mancraft SDIK, a drop in kit for a few different models of spring sniper rifles. That will convert your gun to shoot off of regulated CO2 or HPA, allowing you to easily get the power you want without the difficulty of having a heavier prime.

Well, according to owners of SRS, 26" variant have around 10-15 fps increase comparing to 16" variant, and accuracy is bit better too.

I belive that redwolf airsoft tested that in their youtube review.
I really like redwolf's reviews because they're pretty honest and entertaining but I disagreed with their assessment of accuracy with the longer barrel. It just wasn't a very conclusive test.
 
#36 ·
Hey guys! New to this forum and I happen to receive my first serious bolt spring sniper, the 22", probably tomorrow. Always liked match shooting, been into airsoft for some years now so decided to finally get a sniper.

So far: thanks for all the info!

After reading everything, I think I want to go with a barrel around 500mm to stick to the 2.0 ratio. And get a nice hopup rubber.

Atmy field I can shoot up to 500fps with 0.2's... But I guess I'll be looking at .33's or so.

Recomendations are welcome, but I'l be lurking/reading into it all too.

So basically.... Hi!
 
#37 ·
Hi Sinsitive,

(Forum rule is to make an intro post on the Intro thread, if anyone here is still paying attention to that lol)

Congrats on the purchase, man, I wish my first sniper rifle was a $500 gun...

If you're looking for barrel and hop up recommendations, they're pretty much the same for this gun as any AEG (since the SRS takes AEG barrels). Up to about a 509mm barrel, 6.01 if you're trying to squeeze every ounce of power out of your spring, but 6.03 or even 6.05 can be more consistent/accurate downrange. There are other threads that discuss ideal barrel diameter, you can read for days on this forum about that. ZCI, Prometheus, and PDI are my personal recommended barrel brands, from least to most expensive.

Rhop or ERhop installs are widely considered the best hop up modification. ER hop takes a very steady hand with a dremel, because you'll be cutting your barrel (if you didn't already know that). I've just got a Rhop on mine, and it is doing the trick. ERhops can often squeeze a little more range out of a gun.

Which brings us to that; the ammo. I'd recommend you try .40g or .43g BBs at the power level you're working toward. You'll get more accuracy AND range with heavier ammo, as long as your hop up can 'hop' them.

This thread is quickly becoming the place with the most in depth discussion about the SRS, so continuing to lurk and read is certainly a good idea.

Welcome to the forum!
 
#38 ·
I do still care about it, however I quit caring about the 1 post heroes. Once they hit 5 then I start bustin heads. Plus I am tired of all the verbal abuse and flak I get from them for doing my job as a moderator. I have been quite judicious with my use of the ban button. Mouth off to me when I was playing nice, bad on you.

Anyway... I think I may consider grabbing one later. How heavy is it?
 
#40 ·
Manufacturers figures rather than owning one and weighing it.... :-

The SRS A1 Covert 16'' version has an overall length of 675 mm (min.), and a weight of 3.00 Kg (min.). BLT-03 - Silverback Airsoft

The SRS A1 22'' version has an overall length of 850 mm (min.), and a weight of 3.22 Kg (min.). BLT-02 - Silverback Airsoft

The SRS A1 26'' version has an overall length of 980 mm (min.), and a weight of 3.34 Kg (min.). BLT-01 - Silverback Airsoft
 
#41 ·
@Skywalker: Thanks for the info and welcome! I'm now thinking of the PDI 6,05 mm - 509 mm. But before spending more money on this: let's see how it performs out of the box. I tend to spend a bit too much on airsoft... I'm sure you know that feeling. :D

As for hopup, kinda the same story. Perhaps go with a performance bucking and later when I have a bit more spare time, get a Rhop. But the SRS is new, so perhaps it's better to wait for other people's results.

Ammo wise: they need to be bio bb's so my best option is G&G's .33gr bb's right now. Let's see what I can do with those.

Anyway I'll stick around hehe. :)

@Plazmaburn: made the newbie topic. Hope you like it. :D
 
#42 ·
Try contacting HPA to get some of their .40g bbs. They're bios, and tan. (Seeing rumors that they're working on white .40gs). I know I can get them here in the states, sorry, can't recall where you are located, if you had stated it.

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@Skywalker: Thanks for the info and welcome! I'm now thinking of the PDI 6,05 mm - 509 mm. But before spending more money on this: let's see how it performs out of the box. I tend to spend a bit too much on airsoft... I'm sure you know that feeling. :D

As for hopup, kinda the same story. Perhaps go with a performance bucking and later when I have a bit more spare time, get a Rhop. But the SRS is new, so perhaps it's better to wait for other people's results.

Ammo wise: they need to be bio bb's so my best option is G&G's .33gr bb's right now. Let's see what I can do with those.

Anyway I'll stick around hehe. :)

@Plazmaburn: made the newbie topic. Hope you like it. :D