This post is a clone of my earlier one at Arnie's, but I would really like to hear your thoughts on it, so here we go:
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Hi guys,
I've something in my mind, and considering I don't have the money or resources to make it at big scale on my own, I thought I would share it to see what you think.
I've always been a big fan of the VSS Vintorez. That silent, deadly, sexy soviet widowmaker...
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Unfortunately, when some Airsoft companies finally released their versions, they decided to deform it beyond recognition to fit the gearbox of those horrendous Scalextrics people call AEGs. Specially LCT. Like... WTF LCT... really??
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Can't help but hear that poor thing screaming for a mercy kill
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So going back on topic, I was hoping for a GBB company to make it into an awesome 1:1 GBB... To be honest i thought it would be no time before we get a GBB version, albeit deformed too, as we all know they are lazy bastards that will just take AEGs bodies and clone them, just replacing the gearbox for a GBB system, inheriting all deformities.
But years later there's still no sign of such thing, so I was even considering making my own, perhaps from an AEG body frankensteined together with some WE spares and some custom made parts. While I was at it, I found there's another good reason no one has made a GBB VSS yet.... This video shows an awesome animation of all the parts, and (at 1:03) how it functions.
If you're paying attention, you'll see that unlike 99% of modern rifles, and 100% of GBBRs, the real VSS / VAL / SR3 plaform is not hammer fired, but striker fired. So there's a big metal rod right were the nozzle and blowback unit would be positioned in pretty much all GBBRs, which will certainly prevent using any traditional platform.
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That really slowed my progress. A LOT.
But then I thought... what if instead of trying to use an existing system, I could develop a new concept for it... and after the 100th time watching that video at 25% speed, it struck me: We could use simply use the striker pin as a piston and the bolt carrier as as cylinder. That pretty much leaves us with an awesome, spring-powered VSS with somewhat realistic internals. Sears and all internal parts will still look and function like the real thing, with the only difference being that instead of hitting the primer, the striker will compress the air needed to expell the bb
But being the GBBR addict I am, that was clearly not enough for me. So I thought of a new system:
Using the rear part of the striker (the one that engages with the sears) to hit a gas release valve of a typical GBBR style mag, we could have the power to send the bolt back. But where would I send the gas if the bolt carrier and firing pin are used as a cylinder and piston?? Easy: the real gun gas piston, with an Oring and such to provide good seal. Routing the gas there is the hard part, but once that's solved, it should be perfect to build pressure in the gas chamber sending the bolt back, which in turn will release the magazine's gas release valve, cutting the flow.
That way the firing sequence would be an hybrid, with the bb being propelled by compressed air like in a spring-powered airsoft gun, and the blowback powered by a gas-in mag system, which will provide the perfect consistency of spring guns with the awesome kick and cycle of GBBRs, while keeping cooldown at minimal, as I'd be saving all the gas that is normally used to propel the bb.
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Now I think I got all pretty much figured out. I might start from a VSS model as sold by NPO AEG (if anyone knows how to source one of those, that'd be great) that, while not being a true 1:1 to my eye, it certainly looks less deformed than any AEG body.
Then make a custom striker / piston (pretty much a striker with a piston head instead of a needle in front) and a bolt carrier / cylinder (just a solid bolt carrier with a hole in the correct diameter for the piston and a typical GBB feeding nozzle). Using a WE AK type hop unit for awesomeness, coupled with WE AK feed lips and some 3D-printed midcaps. And of course, Maple Leaf Autobot bucking + ML inner barrel. perhaps in the super-short real barrel length to keep the ability to carry in his own little suitcase for added awesomeness.
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At that point it will be an awesome springer. Then perhaps I could use the upper third of WE AK magazines to provide the gas needed for blowback. The hard part here is finding how to route that gas to the front of the gas piston. I was thinking perhaps a gas coupler valve like the one in WE P90 magazines, that would engage when the mag clicks in place. But that might be a pita with the angles... Then it's just a little line routing it to the piston, and making sure it seals properly and releases the contained gas when the bolt carrier reaches the back, resetting the striker / piston to the sears.
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If I somehow manage to fix that, then making it work would be easy as adding something to actually hit the gas release valve when the piston sets forward.. A firing pin housing fixed to the receiver like that of the WE SVD is the obvious choice to me.
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Anyway... what do you guys think about it? I really don't have the money to make the build right now, so there's time for thinking this all the way. Any input is greatly appreciated.
(and if some manufacturer reads this and decides to stole the idea... you're welcome to do so just remember to return the favour sending me one if you're kind enough )
---------------------------
Hi guys,
I've something in my mind, and considering I don't have the money or resources to make it at big scale on my own, I thought I would share it to see what you think.
I've always been a big fan of the VSS Vintorez. That silent, deadly, sexy soviet widowmaker...
Unfortunately, when some Airsoft companies finally released their versions, they decided to deform it beyond recognition to fit the gearbox of those horrendous Scalextrics people call AEGs. Specially LCT. Like... WTF LCT... really??
Can't help but hear that poor thing screaming for a mercy kill
So going back on topic, I was hoping for a GBB company to make it into an awesome 1:1 GBB... To be honest i thought it would be no time before we get a GBB version, albeit deformed too, as we all know they are lazy bastards that will just take AEGs bodies and clone them, just replacing the gearbox for a GBB system, inheriting all deformities.
But years later there's still no sign of such thing, so I was even considering making my own, perhaps from an AEG body frankensteined together with some WE spares and some custom made parts. While I was at it, I found there's another good reason no one has made a GBB VSS yet.... This video shows an awesome animation of all the parts, and (at 1:03) how it functions.
If you're paying attention, you'll see that unlike 99% of modern rifles, and 100% of GBBRs, the real VSS / VAL / SR3 plaform is not hammer fired, but striker fired. So there's a big metal rod right were the nozzle and blowback unit would be positioned in pretty much all GBBRs, which will certainly prevent using any traditional platform.
That really slowed my progress. A LOT.
But then I thought... what if instead of trying to use an existing system, I could develop a new concept for it... and after the 100th time watching that video at 25% speed, it struck me: We could use simply use the striker pin as a piston and the bolt carrier as as cylinder. That pretty much leaves us with an awesome, spring-powered VSS with somewhat realistic internals. Sears and all internal parts will still look and function like the real thing, with the only difference being that instead of hitting the primer, the striker will compress the air needed to expell the bb
But being the GBBR addict I am, that was clearly not enough for me. So I thought of a new system:
Using the rear part of the striker (the one that engages with the sears) to hit a gas release valve of a typical GBBR style mag, we could have the power to send the bolt back. But where would I send the gas if the bolt carrier and firing pin are used as a cylinder and piston?? Easy: the real gun gas piston, with an Oring and such to provide good seal. Routing the gas there is the hard part, but once that's solved, it should be perfect to build pressure in the gas chamber sending the bolt back, which in turn will release the magazine's gas release valve, cutting the flow.
That way the firing sequence would be an hybrid, with the bb being propelled by compressed air like in a spring-powered airsoft gun, and the blowback powered by a gas-in mag system, which will provide the perfect consistency of spring guns with the awesome kick and cycle of GBBRs, while keeping cooldown at minimal, as I'd be saving all the gas that is normally used to propel the bb.
Now I think I got all pretty much figured out. I might start from a VSS model as sold by NPO AEG (if anyone knows how to source one of those, that'd be great) that, while not being a true 1:1 to my eye, it certainly looks less deformed than any AEG body.
Then make a custom striker / piston (pretty much a striker with a piston head instead of a needle in front) and a bolt carrier / cylinder (just a solid bolt carrier with a hole in the correct diameter for the piston and a typical GBB feeding nozzle). Using a WE AK type hop unit for awesomeness, coupled with WE AK feed lips and some 3D-printed midcaps. And of course, Maple Leaf Autobot bucking + ML inner barrel. perhaps in the super-short real barrel length to keep the ability to carry in his own little suitcase for added awesomeness.
At that point it will be an awesome springer. Then perhaps I could use the upper third of WE AK magazines to provide the gas needed for blowback. The hard part here is finding how to route that gas to the front of the gas piston. I was thinking perhaps a gas coupler valve like the one in WE P90 magazines, that would engage when the mag clicks in place. But that might be a pita with the angles... Then it's just a little line routing it to the piston, and making sure it seals properly and releases the contained gas when the bolt carrier reaches the back, resetting the striker / piston to the sears.
If I somehow manage to fix that, then making it work would be easy as adding something to actually hit the gas release valve when the piston sets forward.. A firing pin housing fixed to the receiver like that of the WE SVD is the obvious choice to me.
Anyway... what do you guys think about it? I really don't have the money to make the build right now, so there's time for thinking this all the way. Any input is greatly appreciated.
(and if some manufacturer reads this and decides to stole the idea... you're welcome to do so
just remember to return the favour sending me one if you're kind enough )
