I wish the pictures they took showed the shape of the contact patch. Their existing buckings are already a drop in Rhop to a degree, I want to know what makes this one different.

 

They explictly decided they will not reveal it (due to product protection, they got spies in their FB as well) other than mentioning it's a shield-shaped throughout patch, but well i guess it's not gonna be long before everybody realize what does it actually look like since it's about to be sold everywhere

 

Believe it or not, I'm not so thrilled about this one.

Autobot (/ Diamond / Wonder) buckings are more than capable enough for lifting .48g bbs, and their design is slightly better than a R-hop (either traditional or this new approach) at providing a perfectly consistent starting position, which translates in somewhat tighter groupings in the horizontal axis.

These new buckings would only make sense for lifting ridiculously heavy (and therefore ridiculously expensive) ammo, such as .69g bbs.

 

Heck, it is easy enough to lift heavy bb's with a stock bucking too. Just use a shorter barrel and a bigger spring creating more of a pressure spike. By doing this, I can even lift 0.48gm bb's with a rifle that shoots only half a joule and they shoot out to around 50-55 meters (I know this is not far but the rifle is only shooting 0.5 joules. It is a long way for a low energy rating and such a heavy bb).
Though doing it this way does mean you are not using your cylinder volume efficiently.


It is easier to do this in an AEG with a ported cylinder as the piston speeds up and when it hits the port, it creates an instant pressure spike pushing the bb past the nub at high speed and creating enough backspin.

 

According to their own words the Super buckings are more accurate and this is for more range.
I doubt there is any actual data or theory backing it.

 

This is the same thing they said about the Super/Wonder buckings and Autobot/Decepticon buckings, so it is only normal to take it with a grain of salt to say the least

 

Can hop any bb with the right nub.

This seems like a response to the new Sniper Mechanic Flamingo buckings, which also are like a "drop in R-Hop".

In before the people stating this will never perform as good as an R Hop.

 

^ > honestly still amazed we're inb4...

I think not showing the contact patch is absolutely absurd, but I guess it guarantees a delay in copycats until sales have started? Idk, seems unnecessary. I mean it can't be that different from their previous designs, nor the Flamingo, R-Hop, or any other form of a very simple and logical design where any difference between them is probably negligible.
Apparently the Flamingo can be used with bridged or non-bridged barrels though, which is pretty interesting- thought I might have seen the same about these, but can't find anything on it, so maybe not.

 

I've got some Flamingos. Work on my Hi capa with H plate well. About to install on my Mk23... but Idk how you can improve over the autobot with dual TDC as it is...

On my VSR it's shambles with the flamingo right now. I still haven't reinstalled so I'll see when I get time. Been too busy.

 

Also, FYI, but the Flamingo is basically a direct copy of the TNT TR Hop bucking. That said, the material is evidently different and more durable. It's also much cheaper.

Holding it and comparing it to the same degree maple leaf, they do definitely feel more durable and resistant to deformation; and the nozzle on my hi capa has yet to cut a notch into the bottom back of the flamingo bucking like it did on my ML 50 degree.

Installed on my Mk23 without issue. Looks straight as well. Will test and update in the flamingo topic in the VSR forum when I can.

Considering TNT's design, that has then been essentially copied (with a new material) with the Flamingo bucking, I would be shocked to see a different patch design to any meaningful degree with the new Mr. HOP buckings from ML.

 

Ok, I'll say it (couldn't get here before, it's been a hectic day!). It's NOT AS GOOD AS AN R HOP. Period...hehehehe

 

Hahaha^

I tested the Flamingo with the Mk23. Details below:

https://www.airsoftsniperforum.com/41-vsr-rifles/60037-snipermechanic-flamingo-buckings.html

 

Excellent observations, sir...thanks for that!:shot:

That said...R HOP. hehehehe....even better, a version 6.0 mod of the R hop. :tup:

 

Would give it a try especially if my new flaming does not shape to be the wonder rubber it was anounced

 

Yea, the flamingo isn't the new bucking king for the VSR. I'd say that stays with the Autobot for now, so we'll have to see how this Mr. Hop goes.

Flamingo works well on pistols though.

 

Pic of the internal shape gotten from AST taiwan.

http://en.ratech.com.tw/img/ra-agent/ra-agent-electric/mapleleaf/ra_agent_e_mapleleaf_074_d4.jpg

 

Oh wow. That literally looks like an R Hop patch. I wonder if there will be compatibility issues with different brand barrels.

 

I will definitely give it a try on my ML CJ but looks like the patch is way bigger than anything i have seem before hahaha.

 

Yea, I won't be as quick to jump on these buckings as I did with the Flamingo. I'll wait to see some testing from others. Mainly if it's a noticeable, quantifiable improvement over the autobot.

Mainly want to see if it'll fit other steel barrels like Laylax that have smaller windows, as I'm not a huge fan of CJ barrels on anything other than gas pistols.

 

If that's what the average r hop patch looks like, no wonder they aren't working as well as expected. hehehehe.

 

I was very excited for these, it might genuinely be an excelent hop rubber, especially since the top part seems like it lets the contact patch raise and lover with more ease.

 

Anyone test these yet?

 

I think I can get this in Hong Kong, but honestly 2J wouldn't play out anything at true strength. At 2J even a China brand rifle with no upgrades can rival a throughoutly upgraded rifle.

My guess is this would only work on rifles that has the same window as the Maple Leaf barrels (cuz you know the Autobot is just like that).

 

Has anybody tested this hop up yet. Looks amazing!

 

Image of the contact surface of the bucking in case anyone is wondering...

 

Founded on google pics

 

I’m surprised it took so long to develop such bucking. I used to make r hops from sugru years ago, this is exactly that but made of a better material (sugru swells, scratches easily and can’t keep shape for a long time).

 

Saw some anecdotal reports on the Mr. Hop on Facebook (I know, I know).

Take it with a grain of salt...but

Reportedly... the bucking works well for hopping very heavy bbs like .69g, however the user also stated that if you're not going above .48g then the Autobot provides better results as lateral deviation isn't as much of an issue.

This report seems about like what I would expect from using other "R-Hop" type buckings. They can put proper backspin on just about any bb but their performance is lacking when it comes to consistency.

That said, I've never had issues hopping any bb weight on my autobot set up with panthera nub and while I haven't tried .69g, I have no doubt my system could hop them, as I barely have any hop up applied as it is for .48g. The user may have been from one of the less free countries that have strict joule limits though, so that may be why he gets better backspin on the Mr. Hop.

 

I’m using autobot pink one on my gas m40a5 and it lifts 0.48 with just a little of hop up being engaged. If I didn’t have an expensive barrel inside I would test it with a steel 6mm bearing (1.1g weight). I’m almost sure it would lift it.