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Hello everyone. Buying my first Sniper rifle. Which ever I decide to buy will be getting fully upgraded. Which of these 2 guns whould you recommend and why?
 
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M40A5 no doubt, if you have to pick from either of these.

The L96 is not known to be very reliable (jamming etc) and the M40A5 is in general pretty good as far as stock rifles go. It also solves the push resistance issue despite it uses a 45 degree sear system.

I would suggest other platforms such as the SRS though as neither of these guns handle high joules well. If it has to be based on the AWM or the M40 then I would suggest the WELL MB01/08 and S&T M40A5/CYMA CM700 instead.
 
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Due to their smaller air volume than the APS-2/L96 and S&T M40 counterpart, stiffer springs are required to make them shoot just as hot as others; They are also less capable in shooting heavier BBs due to the same reason.
 
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So the M40A5 is a bit of a pain. I don't know how it could handle push resistance with its 45 degree trigger system. That sounds a bit odd.
Also, it has a tiny cylinder volume because tm decided it would be a good idea to make a gun with realistic magazine placement and then short stroke the bolt. Why Tokyo Marui. Just why?
It has a weird feed system which does actually work quite well but is unusual and confusing. Basically, the magazine ejects 15 of its 30 rounds into a feed tube and then complicated things happen which I don't 100% understand.
The TM L96 is also a pain in the a**e, especially as the feeding system is prone to breaking, however, you can get a 90 degree trigger for it.
In the end, the SRS, VSR10 and (in my opinion) s&t kar98k are better options.
You can also get a AWS in a L96 stock if you but the Well M40a3.
 
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The resistance is quite something……basically for whatever reason the cylinder can free fall as if you used a zero trigger on the SSG24, yet is throughout and out a 45 degree trigger.

The cylinder makes sense in a Japan toy gun company perspective as no matter how large the cylinder is, it will always be excessive for Japan where airsoft guns are not allowed to exceed sub-1J anyway. It's just that it's even more extreme than the AWS or the Amoeba Strikers with an even lower volume.
 
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If you like L96's then the WELL L96/MB01 can be a good rifle when upgraded. When upgraded it can shoot as good as a VSR10 and it also reliable.
Stay away from any L96 that is an AWS
 
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If you want an L96, go with the WELL MB01/08, plenty of aftermarket parts to upgrade and reliable.

M40 look, M700 you go for a VSR based system, same rules apply above.

Stay away from the AWS system and other proprieratry rifles, it will be a money pit and a pain to get parts.

If you are desperate for the M40A5 look, I would advise to get the SSG24, and the M40A3 stock for it, although it will become very pricey.

As for the CYMA CM700 series, everything is VSR10 compatible EXCEPT the magazines and hop up unit. Same goes for the Specna Arms rifles.
 
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This depends on how hot the rifle will be firing. But it will do similar ranges to what other rifles with the same joule rating will do. The good thing is about the MB08 is that the cylinder volume is a decent amount and so you can get high energy reasonably easy.
A rifle firing 3.33joules with 0.46gm can expect about a max range of 90 meters with about 1 meter overhold.
 
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VFC? Growl. Although their sniper rifles are ok. I prefer Tanaka and KJW M700s.
With a few ÂŁ100s you could build a decent rifle.
I will list a decent build with rough figures
Well mb01: ÂŁ90
Action army blue hopup unit: ÂŁ45
ZCI barrel (I would buy thr 300 mm one for ÂŁ25 as it matches the well mb01's cylinder volume however ou can buy a full length 500mm barrel for maybe ÂŁ35)
Begadi trigger: ÂŁ45 (cheaper than airsoft pro and literally the same thing. It is the one I use)
Maple leaf macaron bucking and nub: ÂŁ9
O&T or PPS stainless steel cylinder: ÂŁ20 (you could also get the action army teflon one but I wouldn't bother)
PPS upgrade kit: ÂŁ17 (contains piston, spring and spring guide and upgrades your gun to somewhere around 500-550 fps. Personally I would replace the spring with an action army one however this is not strictly necessary)
Barrel spacers from tape which I would class as free.

Total: ÂŁ251
This does not include shipping or anything so the total will be more. The figures are very rough so in the end it will be around ÂŁ300.

I would also add a sorbo pad for ÂŁ10ish from laylax as it will make your gun quieter.

If you want to talk to someone who knows a lot about l96s contact Zeroroaster. I am unsure whether his area of expertise is the AWS or the type 96 though...

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Another very good option is to get the SSG10 and contact Taring Carving on Facebook or Instagram for an L96 or M4A3-5 stock.
Beware that they are made of wood so you might be overprotective of them because they look so good lol
This will probably run you 350-550 USD as shipping varies and different stocks and finishes require more work.
If you wanted to be REALLY cheap you could buy whatever parts you needed for the working bits from Novritsch or whatever other place instead of buying a whole SSG10.
 
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That only applies if you only switch out the hop up grouping. The cylinder is off spec and the magazines don't fit either. Snow Wolf is a better fit (and has more parts), and as a person assed enough to build one using a snow wolf it has been such a money sink, I would recommend just buy the SSG24 to ease your troubles especially considering the surface quality of the rifles. Also since the M40 stock is discontinued for unknown reasons it won't be easy at all to source it anymore.

For the sake of your sanity do NOT get the VFC M40A3. It is nothing but hot garbage where even the bolt can deform under stress - not even goddamn JG is this bad.

The CYMA CM700 or the S&T M40 is the more practical, usable M40 other than the Marui one, with an incredbily good bang for its buck.
 
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#22 · (Edited)
I wouldn’t get either I would just get the ssg10 A1 it’s already pre upgraded for$300 And $500 for the A2 Version.i have it and I love it it’s the best first sniper you can buy there’s no point on getting A sniper for $150-200 and dumping another $300-1000 on upgraded parts I say save you money and get the ssg10 it comes wit a 25 year warranty and get yourself a good pistol with the rest of the money I promise this sniper is perfect for you DONT WAIST YOUR MONEY....and it’s a laser with .46g bbs
 
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First of all, there are 2 different variants of L96 - you specified the TM, which has the mag extending from the correct location of the actual real steel L96 and uses a feed ramp system to push the bb forward then up into the hopup. The other style uses a flush mag forward directly beneath the hopup. Make absolutely sure you recognize the difference, because the internals are not the same. I have a TM style clone, which I upgraded and while I love the design and was able to push .45s with it, I had to use quite a large spring due to the low air volume of the piston. It also jams quite frequently and is a bitch to unjam once it jams. In addition, the upgrades can be a bit more expensive than the typical VSR-10 (I have one of those as well - my son's rifle). Everyone will tell you, the facts are that the VSR-10 probably has far more upgrade options available than any other sniper rifle. If you want to get something good and at the lower end of the price scale, go with a VSR-10 or some variant that uses VSR-10 parts. Novritsch's newest sniper rifle is based off of this platform. That being said...NOTHING out there beats the SRS! This is my primary now. Super reliable, easy to work on, SUPER quiet with the right upgrades, the covert model is pretty compact (almost HALF the length of my L96 with the supressor removed, and about the same barrel length). The cylinder has one of the highest air volumes out there. There is good reason why the SRS is one of the most coveted sniper rifles out there. I can't reccomend the SRS enough, but the VSR-10 would be my more "practical and affordable" suggestion if not. I HAVE heard good things about the m40a5, but have not had the opportunity to hold one in my hands, much less fire one, so I can't say on that one. Good luck!
 
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Just to play devils advocate here, I once owned one of the TM M40s and had Masada install a full edgi kit. It shot .40s and .45s really really well even with the limited air volume. It was very consistent. I think we built it for 2.8 joules, but it's been a few years so I could be wrong. I sold it because it didn't like the toy-like feel. Creaky, plastic-y, typical stock TM externals.

I also owned a VFC M40A5 (think I sold it to Wolf George?) and I miss that thing sometimes. Super solid gun, and from what I hear from people on here a ML bucking and barrel really shine in the performance area.
 
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What I suppose we should emphasize is that you will be able to make any rifle good.
Even for proprietary rifles you could 3d print, CNC and cast your own parts, but that will be a massive pain.
It will be much easier if you buy a rifle with many upgrades available.
These include the
Vsr10
Srs
Type 96- that is Well mb01 type rifles
Tanaka/KJW M700
KC02
Mk23+carbine kit
Let's talk about the ssg10. Before getting it I suggest you wait for a couple of batches. By then the problems should be resolved. Ou can fix some of them such as the scratchy cylinder by smoothing out the edges however, in about a year, Novritch will probably fix this and then you won't even have to do that.

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So after a weekend of Airsoft, I finally decided on an srs. I had a go of one at the weekend and after being in the receiving end of a couple they are unreal. One thing I am unsure of is should I get the a1 or the a2. Also should I rhop fast hop it or has anyone had any success with the default left right hop setup.
 
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The A1 has been discontinued since the A2 made its debut immediately. You will only get brand new rifles in the form of the A2.

While the A1 has a better top rail the A2 is significantly lighter and more balanced in weight than the A1, so I would say go for the A2 for sure.

You are advised in getting the FAST hop and look no further atm, regardless what kind of bucking/hop you want to use with it.
 
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