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Just got my sba tac41 a few days ago.
I do not have time to run a full review at one phase so I will post in segments when I have time to look at different aspects of the rifle.
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First thing first, this rifle is solid.
Feels just as it should, the barrel really free floats in the stock, the handling is smooth and everything works as supposed to.
Assembly and dissasembly is quite simple also.
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Today it's the cylinder unit.
The piston bodies are compatible, just as the piston heads. As you see already installed the sear end on a VMP. For the removal I just used the nut included with the VMP and a screwdriver as a lever through the piston side hole. It also fits MouseFart piston head.

The good news is, since the cylinder head is full cncd so the brakes works even better than on the SRS. The 'bad' news is I had to install an other bumper O ring on the brake as you see (will be included in all MF order from now on). This required because the original piston head is 1mm longer, and with the MF the sear end slides 1mm further, so the sear can not engage the piston. With the extra O ring as a temporarly solution it works as intended. Already changed the design on MF1.4 to adapt this.

Regard muzzle energy and noise output you can expect about the same as in the SRS with similar setup. The sound is a little sharper and springy twang, but these are just the very first shots I took without optimaliseation. Racking of the bolt is very smooth already, got to get used to the old style bolt loading again 😅

The engagement of the sear is really effortless just as it should be, more on that on the trigger group segment.
So far happy!

Until next post feel free to post questions if you have any so I can take a look at those parts specially.
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Faceless said:
Just got my sba tac41 a few days ago.
I do not have time to run a full review at one phase so I will post in segments when I have time to look at different aspects of the rifle.
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First thing first, this rifle is solid.
Feels just as it should, the barrel really free floats in the stock, the handling is smooth and everything works as supposed to.
Assembly and dissasembly is quite simple also.
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Today it's the cylinder unit.
The piston bodies are compatible, just as the piston heads. As you see already installed the sear end on a VMP. For the removal I just used the nut included with the VMP and a screwdriver as a lever through the piston side hole. It also fits MouseFart piston head.

The good news is, since the cylinder head is full cncd so the brakes works even better than on the SRS. The 'bad' news is I had to install an other bumper O ring on the brake as you see (will be included in all MF order from now on). This required because the original piston head is 1mm longer, and with the MF the sear end slides 1mm further, so the sear can not engage the piston. With the extra O ring as a temporarly solution it works as intended. Already changed the design on MF1.4 to adapt this.

Regard muzzle energy and noise output you can expect about the same as in the SRS with similar setup. The sound is a little sharper and springy twang, but these are just the very first shots I took without optimaliseation. Racking of the bolt is very smooth already, got to get used to the old style bolt loading again 😅

The engagement of the sear is really effortless just as it should be, more on that on the trigger group segment.
So far happy!

Until next post feel free to post questions if you have any so I can take a look at those parts specially.
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FOREVERLYFTED
Hey all,
I've got a question regarding the tac. I put the hulk spring in and didn't care for it. But it was only shooting 2.09 joules with my vmp set at 86.6g and that spring setup, does that sound off. I'm going to check for air leaks and install rhop tomorrow, but any insight could help. Also. Put the stock spring back in with 4 washers and is reading identically on chrono. Why I suspect air leak!
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Have updates on my testing. Took some time getting my springs in to try. But I have The tac set up to what I think is a very well rounded gun. And it destroys my ssg10.

For parts I just mimic what faceless describes in the first page with
m.s. air brake
70 rhop
101 seal
510 faceless barrel.
I replaced my spring with a rapax 3+
No preload washers.
My vmp is set to 54 grams, and I am shooting .46 Novi Boi bbs.
Hop is set at 5.5 (about)

Shots Very straight to about 65-70m and begins to arc
There's a little less than 3 fps deviation between shots.
Tested on chrono at 398-401fps/120-121 ms
At 3.29-3.3 Joule's.

I don't plan on messing with it anymore as I don't see much need for more power.
I'm having my Novi suppressor cncd to fit my shorty outer barrel so I can utilize my tridos stabilizers. Should all be complete by next Friday at the latest. Will post pictures of this beast then.
Lastly anyone considering a sniper should look at the tac. Stock for stock I would say it outperforms the ssg. And with the minor upgrades I've done on recommendations from other users it's phenomenal!
Hopefully others will start posting more about theirs. Pictures to would be cool!
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FOREVERLYFTED said:
Have updates on my testing. Took some time getting my springs in to try. But I have The tac set up to what I think is a very well rounded gun. And it destroys my ssg10.

For parts I just mimic what faceless describes in the first page with
m.s. air brake
70 rhop
101 seal
510 faceless barrel.
I replaced my spring with a rapax 3+
No preload washers.
My vmp is set to 54 grams, and I am shooting .46 Novi Boi bbs.
Hop is set at 5.5 (about)

Shots Very straight to about 65-70m and begins to arc
There's a little less than 3 fps deviation between shots.
Tested on chrono at 398-401fps/120-121 ms
At 3.29-3.3 Joule's.

I don't plan on messing with it anymore as I don't see much need for more power.
I'm having my Novi suppressor cncd to fit my shorty outer barrel so I can utilize my tridos stabilizers. Should all be complete by next Friday at the latest. Will post pictures of this beast then.
Lastly anyone considering a sniper should look at the tac. Stock for stock I would say it outperforms the ssg. And with the minor upgrades I've done on recommendations from other users it's phenomenal!
Hopefully others will start posting more about theirs. Pictures to would be cool!
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Sounds good! I think it will take a half year until it will be generally known and people finish their builds.
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Oh btw. I just released a new piston cup which is plug n play in the tac41.

https://sniperupgrades.com/product/mousefart-cup-srs-tac41-airbrake/

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The Shaggy Sniper
The more I field and fail to troubleshoot my Striker.. The more I keep looking at this thing. I'm half convinced my Striker is cursed, as I can't really figure out what's causing the wild inaccuracies besides the feather-weight ability to manipulate the barrel to cause the BB to fly off-course.

Has anybody received a Tac41 in the states? Any problems, any idea on shipping time? I'm getting really close to ditching my Striker.
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SiliconeSword
I haven't seen much news, but it is rumored that the barrel is totally cockeyed and wobbly, so it would need to be un free floated
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1tonne
I guess my point stands about how the barrel should be locked then. In saying this, I would still get this gun if you are someone considering it. Locking the barrel down would be easy. This gun has great potential.
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The Shaggy Sniper
I guess that leaves me to looking elsewhere again. I'm still firm on my "I no liek VSR10 becuz everybuddy haz 1" stance, but the Striker has been nothing but trouble for me. I really wish it wasn't. I've gotten to the point I hate editing my footage because the fact I can see the crosshairs in the scopecam footage shows how wildly off the shots are, groupings that are several feet wide at 100ft. Up, down, left, right, curving, straight, magic BB's that change directions 3 times mid-flight, it's insane. Then watching other people's videos on YouTube that have <1ft groupings at 150ft.

The only thing I could think is to literally just buy a new Striker and throw the SDiK in it and run it stock, but.. at that point, I'm better off just buying a different gun.
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Blind Sniper
Don’t hate the VSR, joinnn usssssss. Lol. There was and still is a lot of hype for the Tac41. After getting an Srs after a few years of Vsrs; I doubt the Tac will disappoint. I say go for that. I never liked the strikers, but I’ve also never shot a really nice one.
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The Shaggy Sniper
Yeah, that and the price point between the two.. $570 w/o tax to buy the SRS here locally, or buy the Tac41 for $450 with shipping.. Oof. So far I can't really find any true reviews on the Tac41 regarding pro's and con's, just stores that are only trying to sell it, so why would they include the cons?
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The only real con is the long feeding tube. Some people managed to break the feedind ramp also, thats already updated to a new design and shops replaceing the old ones also.
Its an ok basic rifle, check the first few comments in this thread for detailed review on cylinder assembly and chamber.
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The Shaggy Sniper
And the more I keep re-looking at this rifle.. The more likely I'm gonna pull the trigger on it.

For once my YouTube channel is growing, and.. I really don't have a consistent enough rifle to keep the content up. At 50 meters the shots are consistently inconsistent. It's literally a roulette game with my Striker. I've got the cameras (arguably one of the best scopecams for quality on the market) and the film knowledge, but not the rifle to make the shots.

Update: So as it turns out, I can order the Tac41 from Skirmshop...
Rifle: $400
3 Magazines: $60
Tax+Shipping: $40
Coupon: -$50 off
Grand total of $450 for a rifle and 4 total magazines, 200 rounds.

... Or I can drive 4 hours round trip up to LA and pick up an SRS.
22" SRS: $600
5 Magazines: $120
Tax: $70
Gas: ~$40
$800+ for a rifle, 6 total magazines, 210 rounds.

... Oof.

I really wish Evike would carry the Tac41. Maybe they will soon, they'll probably have it in stock the day after I buy it online.
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The Shaggy Sniper said:
...total of $450...
...I buy it online.
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Please don't hesitate (and cry about Striker) and get your TAC-41 asap. You and your hard earned followers thank me later...

Since early August, the rifle just feel fine in hand. Light, sturdy, slim profile and mainly, ready to be dropped. She just don't sht her self if you stumble and if you have a good scope, you can lift her and shoot that mtfckrs who are laughing at you :) competitively and without emotions ofc.

This beauty is a BEAST with Scorpion vmp and 4+J rms. At least 70° sR-hop patch in Morpheus 6.05 dual-bore in 330mm is must for heavier BBs than .50 (hope you us guys are allowed by your gov to shoot Si3N4).
Still I got her optimized under our common 3.2J limit in Czech rep. (Yea...we aren't fukn middle-east :D)
Standing silhouette at hundred meters 3,75/5 times (+-125yrds) from shoulder so far. Still playing with curve...

And with twisted outer, twisted cylinder, twisted knob and heathen system bipod it's a super model in the middle of VSR old school rifles, striker toys and cheap L96 crap.
SRS is like few years older sister which cleared the way for a next phase for M700 type looking rifles ;) Really really quick disassemble and assemble of any part is just cherry :*

Strong gale to the airsoft spring operated bolt actions...


Silverback.
This is the way.
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The Shaggy Sniper
Welp... I got an email notification last night that Evike had finally stocked the Tac41.

So... My new Tac41 gets here Thursday.

The only downside is they don't have any magazines for it just yet, just the rifle, so I guess I'm running around with a speedloader for a bit. Just for fun, I'm going to run it stock for a couple weekends until I can afford some upgrades for it, which would actually work well for content of "stock tac41 performance gameplay" type deal. I'm limited to 2.8J at my local field, so I'll probably get the 2.8J Rapax spring, probably get a new piston, bucking, and barrel, and obviously pick up a few magazines for it as well.
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So I received the rifle.. and overall, very pleased. However, I'll put this out there for US based customers. I screwed up. I unfortunately didn't take any pictures because I didn't think this would be that big of an issue.

My Tac41 came with a reflective orange tip, and in the box was also the black knurled thread protector. The orange tip had your typical pin that holds it in place, no big deal, simply use your preferred method for removing that pin. My method was to use a soldering iron around the pin so I can get some pliers on the pin and remove it. To prevent damage to the inner barrel, I would remove this first.

Big mistake.

If you've got a reflective orange tip on your outer barrel that's held in place by a pin, you cannot remove the inner barrel until after you've removed this pin. This pin is holding the inner barrel FIRMLY in place.

I did not know this.

I removed the hop-up dial and the other relevant screws in order to remove the barrel and hop-up assembly, and began sliding the hop-up unit out of the outer barrel, expecting that the barrel would come with it. It was a bit resistant at first, but not more than I expected, but it wasn't fighting me much. Then it finally came free, and... it was just the hop-up unit. No barrel attached. The barrel was still firmly locked in place. This shredded the bucking.

Unfortunately, I was planning on doing a stock gameplay video, however it looks like that's not going to be possible as of yet. I threw in a generic round-patch AEG bucking to take it's place, however regular AEG buckings don't seem to work well with the Silverback barrels. I'll still take it out this weekend and see how it's performing nonetheless, but I'll wait until I get the replacement set comes in to do a proper "stock" gameplay video.

Other than that, I splurged even more and I've got a Stalker Piston coming, Rapax 2.8J spring, as well as 3 spare magazines that are coming from skipshop.nl.

Overall, I.. like the rifle, for what it is. It's rather hefty, but it feels almost underwhelming.

Pro's So Far:
  • I like that it's got some weight to it. It's not a plastic toy, but it's not too heavy either.
  • I was worried about the "free float barrel" - it does seem like it does it's job. You can move the barrel around the stock, but it seems that its staying fixed with the receiver.
  • Bolt pull is nice and easy - even with some generic AEG years-old-bucking, I was getting 295FPS with 0.43's.
  • Hop-up adjuster is easy enough to adjust, but not enough for something else to inadvertently adjust it for you. I've had that happen when crawling through bushes with my AA hop adjuster on my Striker.
  • There's a LOT of height adjustment on the cheek riser.
  • The feeding tube works just as promised. The only thing is that yes, if you run out of ammo in the magazine, you need to tip the gun down in order to feed those last few rounds, or just put in a fresh mag.
Con's So Far:
  • Obviously, the orange tip fiasco really ruined the "new gun" experience. Remove the pin on the orange tip FIRST before removing the barrel. This would also create a problem for those who would have tried to swap out the barrel without removing the orange tip first.
  • Disassembly/Reassembly is... extensive. The bolts that hold the outer barrel need to be tightened to 4nm with a torque wrench, and done in a certain order. If you don't pay attention during disassembly, things will fly at you. Mainly I was just in a state of panic because of the bucking, but all is good now.
  • Now, the cheek riser is great, but it's a bit sharp on the edges when you've got it up pretty far. Now, this won't matter if you're wearing something to protect the face, but it's worth noting.
  • The travel on the bolt is pretty far. When you've got the cheek riser up far enough (mine is about 2.5" up), the bolt travel stops just about an inch away from the riser.
  • The BOLT HANDLE is MASSIVE. With a 44mm eyepiece, the bolt handle comes pretty dang close to the optic.
  • "Proprietary" buckings. As noted earlier, my stock bucking was shredded before it even got a shot off. Being that the closest shop that has Silverback Buckings is 3 hours away, I had the option of either throwing in a stock AEG bucking from an M4 I don't use, driving 3 hours to LA, or wait until my replacement bucking comes in the mail next week.
Going further into detail on the buckings, basically your standard AEG buckings will not work properly with Silverback guns. I threw in the stock M4 bucking I had laying around, and the bucking wouldn't even engage with max hop-up applied. I decided to get creative, and essentially extended the hop nub, which now it marginally works. I might not be able to hop the .43's I chrono'd with, but at least it's marginally working. I might drive up to LA tomorrow anyways and pick up the set from them, as I'm really looking forward to using this thing over the weekend.
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Another downside I've realized..

Apparently this is a rare issue, but discrepancies between the Hop Up chamber and the Barrel. Either the Hop Up Unit (HUU) is just a hair smaller in diameter than it should be, or the Inner Barrel (IB) is larger in diameter. Either way, it results in extremely hard to install buckings. Since my first mishap with the barrel, I had to replace the bucking because the bucking had been shredded. When ranging the rifle out at the field the first time this weekend, I believe I added too much hop which shredded the bucking again - another bucking down the drain. Good thing I bought 2 packs of 4, right?

Trying to remove the bucking for inspection was less than ideal. The bucking does not slide in or out of the chamber easily, despite using a generous amount of teflon grease to make installation easier - it has almost no impact. Installing is by far the easier step, but removing the bucking.. just shreds them anyways. The bucking remains in the HUU, while the hop window on the barrel does a very good job of shearing off anything that was left of the bucking. It's then a tedious process trying to remove the bucking from the HUU.

It looks like "stock" gameplay is not going to be in the cards for me. I'm already waiting on a some upgrades (piston, spring, and some spare magazines) from Skirmshop in the Netherlands, but it looks like I'm going to be placing another order for a complete hop up setup - a new AEG HUU, a GBB HUU (for comparison), the advanced adjustment set. I'll probably look into getting a new IB as well, as removing and re-installing the HUU and barrel assembly is tedious, as you have no easy way to remove them from the outer barrel, that your best course of action is to push on the inner barrel from the front of the outer barrel until it comes free. I've noticed a slight warp to my IB because of this now. I'll probably get a shorter outer barrel as well, the 510mm is just a bit too long for my liking - but I do enjoy the energy output of the longer barrel.

In other news, I've gotten so used to the 1" bolt pull on my HPA'd Striker, that having now a 5" bolt pull is something that's hard to get used to. I'm hoping that Mancraft will soon make an SDiK for the Tac41, that'd be good for some more content as well.
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SiliconeSword
Dang, almost like the gun was really overhyped by people that wound up with them early, huhhhhh....

You should make a video or 2 about this, and maybe do the Mancraft and other parts installs as people always like that
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Yeah the inner barrel and SBA bucking of the TAC41 sits reallllllllly tight inside the hop up chamber. It guarantees very good sealing with stock buckings, but you'd want to slightly lube the exterior (with GHK liquid silicon grease, the type you use to lube GBB sealings) of the bucking to make it easier to slide into the chamber, and/or its gonna be a one way trip for the bucking either way.

Silverback markets their chambers as AEG/GBB buckings, but in reality they are a tad bit larger/thicker than a true respective bucking. Hence while you can slide in an AEG/GBB bucking into it, it's loose and therefore it's not really AEG/GBB compatible unless you probably massively thicken the bucking you plan to use, if it's not made for the SBA rifles.

But then again the stock bucking works fine enough anyway so I didn't bother actually doing anything about it.

Now the problem is that the SBA buckings due to their hop patch size (as well as the rifle itself for some unknown reason) is kind of picky with inner barrels. Unicorn barrels don't play ball with the TAC41 for some reason (never managed to find out why but it's almost impossible to rack the bolt), ZCL barrel windows are too small to fit the thick patch, and I ended up with a Gurren barrel which finally works properly.
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How do you like the Gurren, how's it compared to other barrels?
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